Flames stars Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau stick together

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I dont disagree that Johnny is going to get much better. We saw him improve year over year for the last 5 years. Personally I see his ceiling as generational winger that will be a top player in the league for a decade. I disagree with the notion that Monahan has peaked as I see him scoring 40 goals and possibly 80pts at his peak.

With Johnny being the face of the franchise and being such an exciting player he deserves to be paid the premium. He needs to give up those UFA years and I'm my opinion if he wants more than Monahan he needs to committ at least 7 years and if he wants north of $7M then he has to max out the term

40 goals for Monahan wouldn't shock me at all. 80 points would be a bit of a surprise, but he's definitely capable of potting 40 with his release, timing around the net, and chemistry with Johnny.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I think he will be in the tier just below them (at their prime). As of today, I already think he is every bit as good as Ovechkin and Malkin.

That said, my expected range is just that, expected. There is no implication on standard deviation.

The same Ovechkin who put up 110 points when he was Johnny's age?

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

The same Ovechkin who put up 110 points when he was Johnny's age?

Hence why I said "as of today" not "vs their prime"

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

I agree that he should and likely will improve, but he is already a top tier 2 way center imo, which is what was being partly debated. Some say he is not a top tier 2 way center yet.

Yeah I disagree he is now as well. He's a good two way Center but I'd still want Backlund on the ice against other teams top centers to be honest. Monahan is still young and will improve but I don't believe his two way game is that great right now.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Hence why I said "as of today" not "vs their prime"

That is most definitely not what you meant in that post. Don't even try it

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Hence why I said "as of today" not "vs their prime"

I like Gaudreau as much as the next guy, but he's not at Ov's level today, and he wont ever hit what Ov was in his prime. He just wont.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I think he will be in the tier just below them (at their prime). As of today, I already think he is every bit as good as Ovechkin and Malkin.



That said, my expected range is just that, expected. There is no implication on standard deviation.

As of today you think Gaudreau is every bit as good as Ovechkin!? You are out of your mind. Gaudreau is nowhere near the player Ovechkin is, that isn't a knock to Gaudreau either. You're talking about likely the best Russian player to ever play the game.


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[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Nothing is stopping Monahan from doing anything, its merely my opinion that, based on the development curves they have shown, Gaudreau still has more runway left in terms of offensive production.

I could be dead wrong. But its just an opinion, and I've provided my reasoning on it several times.

Three seasons vs two is a big factor.

[Cole436]

Did Johnny's agent just find us or something?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Yeah I disagree he is now as well. He's a good two way Center but I'd still want Backlund on the ice against other teams top centers to be honest. Monahan is still young and will improve but I don't believe his two way game is that great right now.

You'd rather have Backlund go up against the likes of Crosby and Kopitar? Yikes man.

What does Monahan have to do to get a little respect around here?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

I like Gaudreau as much as the next guy, but he's not at Ov's level today, and he wont ever hit what Ov was in his prime. He just wont.

Itnisntough to say that. Obviously scoring is down from where it was 10 years ago biut I don't think it will be a stretch for Johnny to win some Art Ross trophies in his future and be the most dominant winger on the game.

I said this to an Oiler fanboy and he shockingly didn't disagree. I think McDavid-Gaudreau is the next generations Crosby-Ovechkin in terms of being a rivalry between a winger and centre who will be considered the best forwards in the league

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

You'd rather have Backlund go up against the likes of Crosby and Kopitar? Yikes man.

What does Monahan have to do to get a little respect around here?

You don't actually think Monahan is a better 200-foot centre than Backlund do you?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think Monahan has more 'runway' to improve, actually. I think if he improves his footspeed - something that can be done, something that he has already improved since the draft, and something that he is continuing to work on - he will be a much more difficult player to contain. I also think he has a better shot than Gaudreau does.

Bennett and Monahan are the two guys that I think will experience the biggest gains this upcoming season.

I love Gaudreau - let me emphasize this - I LOVE Gaudreau. I do think he is one of the league's premier offensive talents and will be a staple in the top 10 league scoring for years to come.

Now that I got that out of the way...

I loved Loob. I loved Mullen. I loved Makarov. Give me Nieuwendyk over them any day of the week. That guy helped you win more games.

That is what I see Monahan as. I think offensively, he is being criminally underrated here. Look at who his comparables are in his first 3 years. What the heck does that say about him offensively? Add to the fact that - for his age - he plays a decent defensively game that he continues to work on - and I am just left scratching my head at the last few pages.

There is ZERO reason to expect that Monahan is anywhere closer to hitting his ceiling as Gaudreau is with his. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Monahan become the highest scoring player on the team a few times in his career, and I actually expect Bennett to become the most valuable forward for the Flames in the next few seasons.

I didn't think Monahan had this in him, to be honest. He has not flash in his game - maybe that was partially why. He just gets the job done and he gets it done a lot more differently than Gaudreau does. Who do I enjoy watching more? Gaudreau. Who would I keep if I HAD to choose between the two? I keep Monahan and I don't lose sleep over it. I say this KNOWING that Gaudreau will be in the top 10 of scoring for years to come, and loving the kid. I just think you win more with a guy like Monahan.

But.. I am just glad we have both.

And I am even more glad when the Flames finally have two fairly defined and balanced lines that will make shutting them down on the road a much more difficult task in the seasons to come with Tkachuck- Bennett probably going to be a mighty fine line down the road.

I love Johnny, but I am quite sick of hearing how Johnny has nobody to play with as compared to the other 'superstars' in the league, not to mention he gets to play with the most offensive set of defencemen in the league as well that can always make a really good pass to him. Gaudreau is an exceptional talent, but in no way in hell are the rest of the Flames scrubs who aren't worthy to share the ice with him. They make him better too.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don't think it will be a stretch for Johnny to win some Art Ross trophies in his future and be the most dominant winger on the game.

No, it's not a stretch, but you can still do that without being as good as Ovechkin

Is Kane better than Ovechkin now? I wouldn't say so

[saillias]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

You'd rather have Backlund go up against the likes of Crosby and Kopitar? Yikes man.

What does Monahan have to do to get a little respect around here?

Him and every coach, every scout and gm in the league. These takes are just getting too outlandish

[heep223]

Originally Posted by saillias

Him and every coach, every scout and gm in the league. These takes are just getting too outlandish

I'm having a hard time interpreting what you're saying here.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think Monahan has more 'runway' to improve, actually. I think if he improves his footspeed - something that can be done, something that he has already improved since the draft, and something that he is continuing to work on - he will be a much more difficult player to contain. I also think he has a better shot than Gaudreau does.

Bennett and Monahan are the two guys that I think will experience the biggest gains this upcoming season.

I love Gaudreau - let me emphasize this - I LOVE Gaudreau. I do think he is one of the league's premier offensive talents and will be a staple in the top 10 league scoring for years to come.

Now that I got that out of the way...

I loved Loob. I loved Mullen. I loved Makarov. Give me Nieuwendyk over them any day of the week. That guy helped you win more games.

That is what I see Monahan as. I think offensively, he is being criminally underrated here. Look at who his comparables are in his first 3 years. What the heck does that say about him offensively? Add to the fact that - for his age - he plays a decent defensively game that he continues to work on - and I am just left scratching my head at the last few pages.

There is ZERO reason to expect that Monahan is anywhere closer to hitting his ceiling as Gaudreau is with his. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Monahan become the highest scoring player on the team a few times in his career, and I actually expect Bennett to become the most valuable forward for the Flames in the next few seasons.

I didn't think Monahan had this in him, to be honest. He has not flash in his game - maybe that was partially why. He just gets the job done and he gets it done a lot more differently than Gaudreau does. Who do I enjoy watching more? Gaudreau. Who would I keep if I HAD to choose between the two? I keep Monahan and I don't lose sleep over it. I say this KNOWING that Gaudreau will be in the top 10 of scoring for years to come, and loving the kid. I just think you win more with a guy like Monahan.

But.. I am just glad we have both.

And I am even more glad when the Flames finally have two fairly defined and balanced lines that will make shutting them down on the road a much more difficult task in the seasons to come with Tkachuck- Bennett probably going to be a mighty fine line down the road.

I love Johnny, but I am quite sick of hearing how Johnny has nobody to play with as compared to the other 'superstars' in the league, not to mention he gets to play with the most offensive set of defencemen in the league as well that can always make a really good pass to him. Gaudreau is an exceptional talent, but in no way in hell are the rest of the Flames scrubs who aren't worthy to share the ice with him. They make him better too.

This long winded post () summed up my thoughts exactly. Great post.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think Monahan has more 'runway' to improve, actually.

*snip*

Who would I keep if I HAD to choose between the two? I keep Monahan and I don't lose sleep over it. I say this KNOWING that Gaudreau will be in the top 10 of scoring for years to come, and loving the kid. I just think you win more with a guy like Monahan.

But.. I am just glad we have both.

*snip*

I agree with nearly everything you said, but I still choose Johnny 10 times out of 10. He's got that elite skill set that is incredibly hard to find, and almost impossible to replace. Monahan is an amazing player, but there are several comparable Monahan's in the league, and while it would be hard to replace his skill set, it isn't impossible. Hell, Bennett alone might make Monahan expendable at some point. Gaudreau's skills might only be comparable to Patrick Kane and Tyler Johnson, and if I'm being honest Johnson as a comparable is a stretch. Yes, Monahan does more things to help you win a game, but Gaudreau is pretty much irreplaceable.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

That is most definitely not what you meant in that post. Don't even try it

That's exactly what I meant. What else could I have meant when I said "as of today"?

Please don't put words in my mouth.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by VilleN

As of today you think Gaudreau is every bit as good as Ovechkin!? You are out of your mind. Gaudreau is nowhere near the player Ovechkin is, that isn't a knock to Gaudreau either. You're talking about likely the best Russian player to ever play the game.


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We're not talking prime Ovechkin. Ovechkin today plays on a loaded caps team and relies a ton on the PP. Gaudreau outscored him by 10% this past season.