The New American Politics thread

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Which is what most people labeled "conspiracy theorists" are trying to do. The political climate is so tense these days that questioning the official story is labelled conspiracy immediately. The room for discussion and thought is being reduced to a very small box.

I don't think an obviously faked document with multiple incongruent font sizes, irregularly placed iconography and re-sized/out of resolution images is considered the "official story" by anyone with half a brain.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by troutman

People talk a lot about Cable News Networks, but not that many people actually watch them:

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/score...gust-16/302283

Yeah, they're not a great business. Glenn Beck, who was the last one who took this kind of "rile up the people, spin it into a network/media platform" is having big trouble with his Blaze crap too.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Which is what most people labeled "conspiracy theorists" are trying to do. The political climate is so tense these days that questioning the official story is labelled conspiracy immediately. The room for discussion and thought is being reduced to a very small box.

Conspiracy theorists usually ignore evidence. Choose the most complicated solution over a convoluted one. Give motives to people that don't fit the actions required. And when challenged with evidence contradictory to their position declare that its part of the conspiracy.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Serious question: Would the US cable/Satellite providers think twice about carrying a Trump News Channel?

You have to pay to get carriage don't you? As long as the check doesn't bounce then...wait, nevermind.

[AcGold]

The point is there is no conspiracy, the point is to show you the hypocrisy.

It is totally and 100% unacceptable to speculate about election fraud because the president said so.

It is totally and 100% acceptable to speculate about shady Trump behavior because it aligns with media narrative bias and the president said so.

In one spectrum it's acceptable in another people have mental issues. To so wholly deny one possibility while propping up another is radically illogical. It's so ridiculously one sided. I'm not a Trump supporter definitely independent I just see the climate in this thread as doing one thing and telling other people to do differently. No speculating unless it matches the official narrative seems foolhardy. Conspiracy theory on one side versus just trying to be logical when it's the same exact speculation with limited facts and involvement in the situation.

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I don't think an obviously faked document with multiple incongruent font sizes, irregularly placed iconography and re-sized/out of resolution images is considered the "official story" by anyone with half a brain.

I didn't say it was the official story, I said people were speculating about it which they blatantly are.

Speculation: If Trump loses he has excuses pre-setup
CP rationale: Just trying to be logical

Speculation: If Hillary wins the election is rigged
CP rationale: Unworthy of an opinion and need mental help, tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist

ok.... why are they so extremely different when neither has conclusive evidence?

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Which is what most people labeled "conspiracy theorists" are trying to do. The political climate is so tense these days that questioning the official story is labelled conspiracy immediately. The room for discussion and thought is being reduced to a very small box.

Is there a particular theory you're interested in discussing? The last time you popped in here with this stuff you didn't do anything other than stomp your feet and leave. Election fraud was the issue, correct? Please feel free to bring up your points regarding what election fraud is on the horizon. I don't believe we've seen anything that points to that being a major issue in the upcoming election.

I don't think SCD is super serious about Trump being a plant candidate, that's more tongue in cheek than anything. I don't see anywhere here when anyone is giving legitimate consideration to anything that would be labeled as conspiracy.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by AcGold

The point is there is no conspiracy, the point is to show you the hypocrisy.

It is totally and 100% unacceptable to speculate about election fraud because the president said so.

It is totally and 100% acceptable to speculate about shady Trump behavior because it aligns with media narrative bias and the president said so.

In one spectrum it's acceptable in another people have mental issues. To so wholly deny one possibility while propping up another is radically illogical. It's so ridiculously one sided. I'm not a Trump supporter definitely independent I just see the climate in this thread as doing one thing and telling other people to do differently. No speculating unless it matches the official narrative seems foolhardy. Conspiracy theory on one side versus just trying to be logical when it's the same exact speculation with limited facts and involvement in the situation.

The problem with this is that you are taking everything listed here based on word, rather than evidence. The only evidence offered by Trump's camp is obviously fabricated. You don't need to be a forgery analyst to see that.

[station]

Originally Posted by GGG

Maybe as a result of this they will go to a paper based ballot system so you can have proper recounts. If you want electronic counting just use the scantron style ballots.

Yeah maybe. I don't know too much about American voting systems other than quite a bit of it is electronic and the process varies widely from state to state. But if you believe an election will be rigged or hacked or whatever when it's still months away you aren't relying on actual voting practices to form your opinion. I'm sure recounts are hugely expensive and should be based on apparent actual irregularities rather than feelings or fabricated poll documents. This kind of behavior is undermining democracy itself which ultimately has more dangerous long term consequences.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The problem with this is that you are taking everything listed here based on word, rather than evidence. The only evidence offered by Trump's camp is obviously fabricated. You don't need to be a forgery analyst to see that.

Do you not understand? I'm not trying to say the election is rigged. I'm saying many of the people in this thread are hypocrites willing to sling mud while crying afoul at the same time.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by AcGold

The point is there is no conspiracy, the point is to show you the hypocrisy.

It is totally and 100% unacceptable to speculate about election fraud because the president said so.

It is totally and 100% acceptable to speculate about shady Trump behavior because it aligns with media narrative bias and the president said so.

In one spectrum it's acceptable in another people have mental issues. To so wholly deny one possibility while propping up another is radically illogical. It's so ridiculously one sided. I'm not a Trump supporter definitely independent I just see the climate in this thread as doing one thing and telling other people to do differently. No speculating unless it matches the official narrative seems foolhardy. Conspiracy theory on one side versus just trying to be logical when it's the same exact speculation with limited facts and involvement in the situation.




I didn't say it was the official story, I said people were speculating about it which they blatantly are.

Speculation: If Trump loses he has excuses pre-setup
CP rationale: Just trying to be logical

Speculation: If Hillary wins the election is rigged
CP rationale: Unworthy of an opinion and need mental help, tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist

ok.... why are they so extremely different when neither has conclusive evidence?

False equivalence.

The Hillary is a criminal who should have been indicted would be a could comparable level of speculation to what is being speculated on on the Trump side.

To believe he election will be rigged is to believe the republican governers would rig the election for a Clinton.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Speculation: If Trump loses he has excuses pre-setup
CP rationale: Just trying to be logical

Speculation: If Hillary wins the election is rigged
CP rationale: Unworthy of an opinion and need mental help, tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist

Point 1: If you've paid attention to this race for more than say 5 seconds, you know Trump blames everyone but himself for everything that goes against him. So yeah, he has his excuses pre-setup. What we've theorized is he doesn't actually want to win, he wants to (shocker) cash in on all of this. Good amount of evidence that this is the case.

Point 2: Prove it. How is it rigged if she wins? I know, I know, millions of people engaged in voter fraud, even after multiple studies have shown voter fraud on a grand scale is a myth. Offer something more concrete and maybe it won't be viewed as a conspiracy.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Are there really people out there who will think that the election was rigged when Trump loses by 10 million+ votes?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Are there really people out there who will think that the election was rigged when Trump loses by 10 million+ votes?

There will be, and they're being incited right now and probably for the next three months.

There are still tons of people who are convinced Obama is a secret Muslim who wasn't born here.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Are there really people out there who will think that the election was rigged when Trump loses by 10 million+ votes?

You saw that phony letter I posted right? Trump supporters are convinced that the media is doing everything it can to manipulate the election, and that if not for the media Trump will win the biggest landslide in American history.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by nik-

There will be, and they're being incited right now and probably for the next three months.

There are still tons of people who are convinced Obama is a secret Muslim who wasn't born here.

I know you're right but that is just sad.

[ResAlien]

Nm, kid isn't coming back. Conspiracies, man.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I don't think an obviously faked document with multiple incongruent font sizes, irregularly placed iconography and re-sized/out of resolution images is considered the "official story" by anyone with half a brain.

What's awesome is that the original 'leaked' document is here.

On the second page, it contains such gems as "Our recommendations are to keep her out of the public eye as much as possible and, potentially, use a body-double for activities such as driving or climbing stairs, should these be in the public eye."

and

"We have a set of target sample-weights from NS that will meet the sponsor’s needs nicely. The question is going to be how far we can maintain this charade. It might be time to find other jobs.I bet those ####ers at Monmouth are living it up with their interns. I also have some contacts at Quinnipiac. I hear they’re all smoking up Bernie-grade weed. F***ing College polls."

Really, this had to have been put up by somebody who's just trolling Trump supporters and seeing how far they'll run with it. Mission accomplished, apparently.

[Swift]

I'm surprised so many people are missing AcGold's point.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

I'm surprised so many people are missing AcGold's point.

Go on....

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah I think I'm missing it too.