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Old 08-14-2016, 10:13 AM   #10361
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I should clarify...we aren't paying attention to Clinton directly
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Sassy Trump is blowing up:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/14/sassy-...onald-6066520/

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When Trump's words are stripped of the bullying macho voice, you see better how empty it all is.

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Old 08-14-2016, 11:45 AM   #10363
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I should clarify...we aren't paying attention to Clinton directly
And if Clinton stays out of the spotlight with a long term strategy of trying to let Trump implode, she risks the same result that Bush, Cruz and the other nominees got.

Clinton needs to take the spotlight back and take the fight to Trump.
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This isn't the GOP primary where despite some large budgets you still have lack of funds to go on an all out attack and lack of staffing And infrastructure to spot and stop trends. The Clinton camp likely has the pulse of things and right now Trump continues to fall in the polls and her lead continues to get bigger. When that subsides you will start to see her take a more front and center approach to the news cycle.

And really right now what it does is allow for some potentially damaging stories to fly under the radar because not even Trump cares to use Clinton foundation stuff to his advantage (though I'm not sure there is a huge story there). In addition while Clinton isn't hogging the news cycle she is blitzing the airwaves with ads....that us where she is taking it Trump having outspent him by a 25:1 margin.
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Technically speaking the Democrats really don't have to do anything at this point. All signs point to this being over already.

The only reason the election is still relevant is because elections are a multi billion dollar industry in regards to the media south of the border, so they'll keep it "close-ish" and "important" til the end.
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Old 08-14-2016, 12:39 PM   #10366
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And if Clinton stays out of the spotlight with a long term strategy of trying to let Trump implode, she risks the same result that Bush, Cruz and the other nominees got.

Clinton needs to take the spotlight back and take the fight to Trump.
We'll see. Right now it doesn't look like it. Plenty of time until the election.

In any case, I trust that the Clinton campaign knows exactly what it is doing.

As for an opinion on what Trump is doing, I'm going to take this rare opportunity to agree with Fox news.

(The relevant part starts at about 1:12.)

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I really can't see how that could be true.

Trump now talks about Clinton all the damn time. The whole RNC was mostly about Clinton. It's clear Trump really, really wants this election to be about Clinton.

Besides, hether or not Trumps campaign is working is measured in polls, and those pretty clearly show that what ever he's trying to do, it's clearly NOT working.
I think Clinton does need to get more of her own message out and articulating her platform, if not to win the election, then to clearly establish her presidency and what her agenda is going to be, so she can claim a mandate. But there's lots of time for that, and the best time for it is once the debates start and in the final weeks. Right now the campaign turmoil and Trump's downward spiral is storyline you don't want to interrupt, and it's pointless to try to get out your message now.
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N Ireland is far from peacefull, it's better than it was but it's still two semi religious communities that will hate each other at the drop of the hat. There isn't a way to solve it, just contain it at best, which is what they're doing now.
Get a grip and stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

It is a very peaceful society with small pockets of extremism and segregation that are diminishing with each passing generation.

But carry on with your ignorance. There is a lot more segregation, hatred , extremism and volatility on the streets of Brixton and Lewisham than the streets of Belfast and Derry.

And two communities that will hate each other at the drop of a hat? What do you base this broad sweeping bs on?

Far from peaceful? Treat your ignorance and go and visit the place for yourself before pretending you have a finger on the pulse there . Laughable that you would even compare it to the ME.
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We'll see. Right now it doesn't look like it. Plenty of time until the election.

In any case, I trust that the Clinton campaign knows exactly what it is doing.

As for an opinion on what Trump is doing, I'm going to take this rare opportunity to agree with Fox news.

(The relevant part starts at about 1:12.)

2 of the 3 in that video clearly oppose Donald Trump. Have they always, or is this new?

If FoxNews is turning on Trump... He's got a major Trumpster Fire on his hands.
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Well wasn't Kelly the lady that Trump was attacking? Wasn't she the one that he was insinuating about blood coming out of her a few months ago?
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Well wasn't Kelly the lady that Trump was attacking? Wasn't she the one that he was insinuating about blood coming out of her a few months ago?
Yeah, that's her. Trump is indiscriminate on who he attacks, even those who should be on his side.
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I think Clinton does need to get more of her own message out and articulating her platform, if not to win the election, then to clearly establish her presidency and what her agenda is going to be, so she can claim a mandate. But there's lots of time for that, and the best time for it is once the debates start and in the final weeks. Right now the campaign turmoil and Trump's downward spiral is storyline you don't want to interrupt, and it's pointless to try to get out your message now.
Thing is , unlike the GOP Clinton used the convention to actually lay out the platform and that is a big chunk of the reason she got the bounce she did. The conventions is when people actually start paying attention and looking at the platform. Remember the more centrist republicans lamenting how effective the democrats were in that convention? They sounded very center-right republican which is the area where you pick up the independents.

She has continued to lay out policy/platform and basically it passes muster with very little to tear into. Well atleast very little to tear into when the opposition either can't lay out something coherent and when they do it doesn't please the majority of Americans. The GOP since the Tea Party insurgency has gone backwards in their social policy while the public as a whole has gotten more progressive and liberal. For goodness sakes they've put in support for conversion therapy in their platform and have a hard line evangelical as a running mate that doesn't think condoms are effective at preventing disease (and thinks abstinence only teachings are effective when it has been proven over and over it isn't).

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Get a grip and stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

It is a very peaceful society with small pockets of extremism and segregation that are diminishing with each passing generation.

But carry on with your ignorance. There is a lot more segregation, hatred , extremism and volatility on the streets of Brixton and Lewisham than the streets of Belfast and Derry.

And two communities that will hate each other at the drop of a hat? What do you base this broad sweeping bs on?

Far from peaceful? Treat your ignorance and go and visit the place for yourself before pretending you have a finger on the pulse there . Laughable that you would even compare it to the ME.
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So I say there are pockets of isolated trouble and you post a youtube clip of a one of them and get your broad brush out again as full out war.

It is for the most part peaceful and calm despite what your uninformed postings would try to portray. It is nothing, absolutely nothing like the ME. Only a fool would try and suggest otherwise.

Jebus, that clip is nothing compared to the behaviour of English soccer fans in France this summer.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...fhggfhfghfghgf

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So I say there are pockets of isolated trouble and you post a youtube clip of a one of them and get your broad brush out again as full out war.

It is for the most part peaceful and calm despite what your uninformed postings would try to portray. It is nothing, absolutely nothing like the ME. Only a fool would try and suggest otherwise.

Jebus, that clip is nothing compared to the behaviour of English soccer fans in France this summer.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...fhggfhfghfghgf

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When the [MOD EDIT: NO] put away the fifes and drums, hang up their sashes and stop marching through Derry and the like I'll believe you, until then it's still a murder or two away from the same crap that it has been for most of my life.

And let's be clear, the only thing that stopped, and still stops it from being a slaughter is the massive presence of British power, which is why I made the comparison, if the Brits pulled out the proddys would ethnically cleanse the whole of the north in a heartbeat.

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Dude. I'm a nationalist and I could care less about the clowns and their sashes.

Civil rights happened a long time ago. I mean by that probably kicked in properly in the mid to late 90s. That was ALWAYS the main issue, not a united Ireland.

And there is no presence of British Power. Zero. And this is coming from someone that spent their adolescent/student life living off the Falls Road with a helicopter over my head 24/7. Demilitarization happened with the Good Friday Agreement.

My family bar one sister all live there. I have zero concern that they will be ethnically cleansed.
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Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, used to work for Viktor Yanukovych, President of Ukraine - this is a matter of public record.

What has recently come to light, is that Manafort's name appears 22 times in what has come to be called "The Black Ledger" a handwritten record of off-the-books payments from Yanukovyitch's party to various people and entities. According to the ledgers, the total amount paid to Manafort was 12.7 million dollars, and may end up with Manafort being indicted for corruption in Ukraine.

Manafort has not commented, but his lawyers deny everything.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us...rump.html?_r=0

Further examples of the close ties the Putin regime has to the Trump campaign.
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Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, used to work for Viktor Yanukovych, President of Ukraine - this is a matter of public record.

What has recently come to light, is that Manafort's name appears 22 times in what has come to be called "The Black Ledger" a handwritten record of off-the-books payments from Yanukovyitch's party to various people and entities. According to the ledgers, the total amount paid to Manafort was 12.7 million dollars, and may end up with Manafort being indicted for corruption in Ukraine.

Manafort has not commented, but his lawyers deny everything.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us...rump.html?_r=0

Further examples of the close ties the Putin regime has to the Trump campaign.
The excrement has now hit the proverbial fan. I cannot wait to hear about the GOP reaction Monday morning. You got some splainin to do oh small handed one...lol
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Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, used to work for Viktor Yanukovych, President of Ukraine - this is a matter of public record.

What has recently come to light, is that Manafort's name appears 22 times in what has come to be called "The Black Ledger" a handwritten record of off-the-books payments from Yanukovyitch's party to various people and entities. According to the ledgers, the total amount paid to Manafort was 12.7 million dollars, and may end up with Manafort being indicted for corruption in Ukraine.

Manafort has not commented, but his lawyers deny everything.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us...rump.html?_r=0

Further examples of the close ties the Putin regime has to the Trump campaign.
This has been brought up a few times in the media, and it sheds a pretty sinister light on the fact that Trump's stated policy towards Ukraine diverges greatly from the Republican standard.

At this point though I don't think it matters. Trump has the voter base he's going to have in the end. He's going to lose, but I really can't imagine what else could happen to cause him to lose those core fanatics and people who will vote red no matter what.
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