The New American Politics thread

[Senator Clay Davis]

Chuck D suggested this but...did Trump himself set up Melania? The thinking is by having the entire discussion now about her plagiarism, we're not talking about what an utter disgrace and #### show yesterday was beyond her speech. No talking about the crazy ass pastor, or Giuliani's screamfest or Scott Baio/Antonio Sabato Jr, or Steve King...just Melania's speech. But the thing is they're going to need a massive distraction for 3 more nights, so that's where I kind of lose it with that theory.

[CaptainCrunch]

Economically Trump will destroy the Canadian Economy by repealing NAFTA if he has his way and taking Obama's protectionist America first policies and turning them up to 11.

But Hillary will be no better from an Economic perspective for this country.

Both of these Candidates are Canadian Nightmares.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What does "the establishment is broken" actually mean? We hear it all the time, but I don't really believe it.

The "establishment" gave us Mitt Romney a few years ago. Maybe not the greatest candidate in history, but compared to Trump, Romney was Abraham Lincoln.

I'm no fan of the Republican establishment of course, and you can say plenty bad about them, but if they don't want Trump to be president, they are at least in the right on that.

The establishment is broken because they no longer control the party

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

generally a funny day for the GOP.

The story about the iowa congressman making statements about how white folk are the primary contributers to history:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us...oups.html?_r=0

you would think in a multicultural society, such statements would be PR and political suicide. Scary times that this isn't the case.

Peter12 would agree

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Well, I think we can at least all agree on one thing: day 1 of the convention was a disaster for Trump. What are people talking shot today, after all the speeches and pageantry? Quashing a roll call vote and plagiarizing a speech.

It's important to remember most people don't watch the conventions--they take away only the treetop, 10-second version of what happened yesterday.

If the GOP was hoping the convention would pitch Truml as a presidential, acceptable alternative to Hillary, it isn't off to a good start.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Also pushing Joni Ernst out of primetime so that she was talking to an empty building, when that was one of the more interesting people one could hear from. That's just disorganization.

[GirlySports]

to me 'the establishment is broken' means that the government is no longer doing government things to protect it's citizens. Sort of how Brexiters felt.

It doesn't matter if it's actually true or not, it's how the government is perceived by its citizens. If you're Joe Blow Manufacturing Plant worker who makes a normal wage and pays the required amount of taxes, you expect your government to work for you. You expect your job to be protected, whether it's unionized or not. You expect pensions and OAS. You expect wages raises equal to cost of inflation. Socially you expect rules of law, high quality of life, safe streets etccc...

So when these things start to break down, for a variety of reasons that may not even be the governments fault, then the establishment or Congress or Washington is broken and with all the problems the US is having now, Trump will fearmonger this point to death. 4 more years of Hilary = 8 more years of Obama. Don't dooo iiiiittttt!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I switched over to Fox out of curiosity. CNN is basically bathing in the glory of the speech plagiarism story. Fox didn't mention it for the first 20 minutes I was watching, though did take the time to re-play every Hillary bash everyone said last night. Now they're sort of half-heartedly trying to defend the speech, though Bret Baier doesn't seem to buy it and is at least acknowledging that it was plagiarism.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Well, I think we can at least all agree on one thing: day 1 of the convention was a disaster for Trump. What are people talking shot today, after all the speeches and pageantry? Quashing a roll call vote and plagiarizing a speech.

It's important to remember most people don't watch the conventions--they take away only the treetop, 10-second version of what happened yesterday.

If the GOP was hoping the convention would pitch Truml as a presidential, acceptable alternative to Hillary, it isn't off to a good start.

I really disagree. With all the crap that was spewed (white people are the best for civilization, crazy Giuliani, etc) people are focusing on a irrelevant controversy that does nothing to sway independents, and only entrenches those who have already made up their minds.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Economically Trump will destroy the Canadian Economy by repealing NAFTA if he has his way and taking Obama's protectionist America first policies and turning them up to 11.

But Hillary will be no better from an Economic perspective for this country.

Both of these Candidates are Canadian Nightmares.

Hillary is a Canadian nightmare? Because of pipeline stances that are no different than Obama's? Was Obama a Canadian nightmare too?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Ana Navarro ‏@ananavarro
RNC Day 1: Trump Camp fights w/Kasich; underwear model spoke; whole lot of screaming; Melania read plagiarized speech. Stay tuned for Day 2.

[Senator Clay Davis]

First, this tool is very cool.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...cast.html?_r=1

Second, I hate to reduce this entire election down to 1 state this far out, but if Hillary wins Florida it's basically over. So it's all about everyone's favorite insane-o state, yet again.

[Flash Walken]

Nothing is a disaster for Trump exceptaybe if he was outed as being gay.

Donald Trump is the GOP nominee for president after months of grueling campaigning.

At this point I have to say I was completely wrong about Trump. Like the housing market crisis in Vancouver my analysis was rooted in a political system of checks and balances that would prevent an unapologetic, unaccomplished, pathological monopoly man caricature from obtaining the nomination.

All analysis flies out the window however when the game is rigged.

This truly needs to be seen for what it is: an abject breakdown of the American political system.

This is so ugly to watch from afar.

[Street Pharmacist]

A lot can change in the next 100 days

[Bootsy]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Hillary is a Canadian nightmare? Because of pipeline stances that are no different than Obama's? Was Obama a Canadian nightmare too?

He was to Albertans , his bold face lying on pipelines , GHG emissions and climate change painting Canada oil as evil when in reality Canadian regulations on pipeline integrity , emission measuring is much more stringent than the US certainly does not make him a friend to Canada.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Nothing is a disaster for Trump exceptaybe if he was outed as being gay.

Donald Trump is the GOP nominee for president after months of grueling campaigning.

At this point I have to say I was completely wrong about Trump. Like the housing market crisis in Vancouver my analysis was rooted in a political system of checks and balances that would prevent an unapologetic, unaccomplished, pathological monopoly man caricature from obtaining the nomination.

All analysis flies out the window however when the game is rigged.

This truly needs to be seen for what it is: an abject breakdown of the American political system.

This is so ugly to watch from afar.

It's the republicans. Trump beat 16 of their best people. How?
Cruz? Rubio? Are they any less caricatures than Trump?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

So basically Trump and his people are just going to plug their ears and tell you they can't hear what you're saying. It's not the end of the world, wouldn't it just be easier to admit something went wrong, apologize, and move on? Telling Americans there was no plagiarism at all seems like a pretty stupid move.

As campaign chairman Paul Manafort indicated at his morning news conference, the campaign's posture is to simply move on from this without addressing it any further.

Manafort denied allegations that Melania Trump plagiarized a Michelle Obama speech on the first night of the Republican National Convention, calling the accusation "just really absurd."

"To think that she would do something like that knowing how scrutinized her speech was going to be last night is just really absurd," Manafort told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day."

New Jersey governor and Donald Trump ally Chris Christie defended the speech, saying, "There's no way that Melania Trump was plagiarizing Michelle Obama's speech."

"I just don't see it," Christie told CNN's Jamie Gangel in an interview Tuesday, adding later, "If we're talking about 7% of a speech, that was really, universally considered to be a good performance by Melania. I know her. There's no way that Melania Trump was plagiarizing Michelle Obama's speech."

Manafort said on "New Day" the words Melania used were not "cribbed" but are common words.

"There's no cribbing of Michelle Obama's speech. These were common words and values. She cares about her family," Manafort said. "To think that she'd be cribbing Michelle Obama's words is crazy."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politi...ech/index.html

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Just watching Mike Pence speaking on CNN, he was mentioning that Indiana's unemployment is at 5%, and that's what strong Republican leadership can do.

Umm, isn't the entire country's unemployment under 5% under a Democratic president? Not sure I'd go with that line again if I were him.

[Senator Clay Davis]

^^Chris Christie realizes that if a college student got caught plagiarizing "just 7%" of a report, there's a 99% chance that student is getting expelled right? Trump is the first time I've felt the GOP has crossed over into cult territory. They've always fallen in line, but this is just getting gross. Have a ####ing spine you cowards.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I switched over to Fox out of curiosity. CNN is basically bathing in the glory of the speech plagiarism story. Fox didn't mention it for the first 20 minutes I was watching, though did take the time to re-play every Hillary bash everyone said last night. Now they're sort of half-heartedly trying to defend the speech, though Bret Baier doesn't seem to buy it and is at least acknowledging that it was plagiarism.

You have to be careful....I'm sure there is a study on your brain power shrinking proportionally to how much Fox News you watch.