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Old 07-19-2016, 02:24 AM   #7061
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It's pretty common to slam your opponent in the primaries while still understanding that they have some talent. These people such as Hillary, Obama and Sanders need to work together to get any of their platforms done. Obama got Obamacare through which is a huge difference from what the GOP want. Some don't like his foreign policy but it sure beats Bush's wars.

Trump if elected will have the Senate and the House backing him so he'll be able to get a lot accomplished. The GOP want to stop abortions and control women's health issues. Others can talk about the differences much better than I can and I'm not saying the Democrats are great but they beat the GOP regressing social issues 10 or 20 years. What you are saying is taking a very superficial look at the parties and if you don't think there is any difference, you are maybe in for a surprise.
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Old 07-19-2016, 02:43 AM   #7062
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You're not alone the leftist circle jerk has become very disturbing I want to see Trump win just to watch heads explode. It doesn't make a lick of difference who wins anyway although it is probably impossible to find a bigger corporate shill than Hillary.
Yes actually, it does make a difference. If you can't see there's a lesser of two evils at play here you need to give your head a shake.
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You're not alone the leftist circle jerk has become very disturbing I want to see Trump win just to watch heads explode. It doesn't make a lick of difference who wins anyway although it is probably impossible to find a bigger corporate shill than Hillary.
Trump is an actual corporation, possibly a stupid one, but a corporation none the less.
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Hillary will make a huge difference if she does not pass any legislation.

Appointing what will likely be 3 supreme court justices if she wins will change everything for a generation.
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Gary Johnson for me. Pretty much made up my mind.
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:18 AM   #7066
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Trump will almost certainly bring an instant global recession, and probably a depression. If you thought investors bailed after the Brexit, it will be significantly worse if Trump wins. Ain't nobody in the markets who wants any part of that ####. Read the New Yorker piece, Trump is certifiable so this is not choosing between two bad choices, it's between a bad, but competent choice and a bad, but mentally unstable choice. The risk level is significantly higher with one than the other, especially since Hillary will be running up against a likely GOP controlled House at least, so she'll be obstructed a lot like Obama and really nothing will change.

The Melania ripping off Michelle thing is predictable, I expected some level of ripping off past speeches. I was just not expecting her to rip it off verbatim, which speaks to how little shame Trump and family really have. I'd also actually give them some level of credit if they just owned it, but then they'd have to praise Michelle's speech and that's a problem.

Edit: I am liking the sabotage theory. The rick roll certainly opens up the possibility.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:19 AM   #7067
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So to sum up the day....

-The GOP may have broken their own rules by denying the vote brought to the floor by the Never Trumps.

-During one speech that should have been important to the GOP, Trump is phoning into Fox News so they cover that instead missing that opportunity to put forth some arguments to the GOP masses.

-Giuliani is simply crazy

-Then they plagiarize a speech which is the talk around the water cooler this morning. What makes it even better is that they moved this speech from the typically lower watched day 1 ending speech to a primetime slot.

Hell of a first day for the GOP convention. I hope it continues this way and we see for the first time a lack of post-convention bump in the polls.

They also had a record low turnout of minorities at the convention I believe.

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Old 07-19-2016, 07:26 AM   #7068
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I know it's a pipe dream but I really hope Colbert reverts to his comedy central character for this purpose.
He did it!

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Trump's campaign manager says Melania didn't plagiarize anything and that she was using "common words and phrases" (also blamed Hillary of course), Chris Christie says 90% of the speech was original so that's what counts (obviously admitting she lifted), and Reince Priebus says he'd fire the speechwriter (Melania claims she wrote it herself). Unity!
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Trump will almost certainly bring an instant global recession, and probably a depression. If you thought investors bailed after the Brexit, it will be significantly worse if Trump wins
The markets are all up and at all time highs since Brexit. I'm sure we'd get an emotional reaction if Trump wins. But I bet trading continues to the up side shortly after.
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Old 07-19-2016, 08:38 AM   #7071
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This RNC is Theater of the Absurd.

Today's theme is the economy, and we will be hearing from "Sheila" from the Young and the Restless.

Chuck D is just now laying into the stupidity of Trump on CNN.
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Trump's campaign manager says Melania didn't plagiarize anything and that she was using "common words and phrases" (also blamed Hillary of course), Chris Christie says 90% of the speech was original so that's what counts (obviously admitting she lifted), and Reince Priebus says he'd fire the speechwriter (Melania claims she wrote it herself). Unity!

I found it puzzling the part about how difficult it was for her as a black woman at Princeton.

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yet people love it. Why? not because Trump is so great it's because the establishment is broken. The republicans are clearly broken losing to Trump in the primaries. You'd think the that Democrats aren't as broken and can survive this election. 80% says they will but you never know.
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The markets are all up and at all time highs since Brexit. I'm sure we'd get an emotional reaction if Trump wins. But I bet trading continues to the up side shortly after.
The major difference is the Brexiters weren't advocating starting trade wars and ignoring current trade agreements like Trump is. In fact most Brexiters wanted to stay in the economic zone and keep free movement of people. Trump is advocating much worse business policies than the Brexiters, and it will effect more corporations in America than the Brexit did. Plus there's that whole he's a 5 year old you can bait into anything part we have to remember.
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yet people love it. Why? not because Trump is so great it's because the establishment is broken. The republicans are clearly broken losing to Trump in the primaries. You'd think the that Democrats aren't as broken and can survive this election. 80% says they will but you never know.
What does "the establishment is broken" actually mean? We hear it all the time, but I don't really believe it.

The "establishment" gave us Mitt Romney a few years ago. Maybe not the greatest candidate in history, but compared to Trump, Romney was Abraham Lincoln.

I'm no fan of the Republican establishment of course, and you can say plenty bad about them, but if they don't want Trump to be president, they are at least in the right on that.
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That's a pretty juvenile way of looking at it.
It will make a difference, you just haven't educated yourself on the topic.
Hillary is not and never was my ideal candidate. But on one side of the aisle you have a platform that includes dealing with climate change, raising the minimum wage, increasing access to healthcare for people in this country. On the other side you have a platform which denies all science regarding the climate, which not only allows but endorses the abuse that is "conversion therapy" on LGBT youth, which states that only "traditional marriage" is acceptable, that children outside of "traditional marriage" are likely to become drug addicts, etc.

No, I don't love Hillary, but the GOP has embraced values that I refuse to endorse, far beyond Trump himself.

And as mentioned earlier in the thread, with 3 SCOTUS representatives in the balance, this presidency makes a massive difference for my generation. The judges nominated by the next president will likely be on the court for a large chunk of the rest of my life, and I don't want Donald Trump picking anyone who is going to decide issues that affect my life.

This is hilarious theater to anyone outside of the country, but for those of us who live here, this is terrifying. It's not about left or right, it's about one party being entirely off their damn rockers. I can handle conservatism as long as it isn't served along with a side dish of bigotry.


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I was absolutely gleeful watching his show last night. First the segment with Stewart, and then the return of "Colbert" and The Word.

As a friend of mine said: I didn't know I could laugh so hard while being sad.
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Honestly the establishment is broken thing really came to the forefront with the Tea Party...a bunch of right wing fundies who still seem to have their undies in a bunch about stuff that happened 50 year ago. They feel threatened by minorities and believe minorities get all the breaks and they are under attack.

Now it wasn't just Tea Party of course as many feel the government only listens to special interests and quite frankly that's true and it is a problem. Whether one believes in gun control or not when John oliver did his gun control series on the The Daily it was summed up by the comparison of the american and austalian politicians. The Australian (paraphrased) "I knew it was the end of my political career but I had to do what was right." The American "the first priority of the job is to get re-elected". In the US when you get to Federal politics you are no longer doing it for the good of the people you represent but your career in politics (not everyone fits this mold but most in control of the parties most certainly do).

The answer, however, is not Donald Trump who while not a career politician is very much part of the establishment. He's just the public side of it...using his money and influence (and his fathers influence) to brow beat politicians into giving him what he wants. Regular Joe be damned. He doesn't care about anyone but himself and the only time he's "helped" someone is if there was financial gain for him.

I don't believe Clinton is squeaky clean and I believe she is likely every bit the egomaniac. However, she also has a career of trying to make things better for a lot of people and I do believe that at least a good portion of that comes from a belief that it's the right thing to do. And as pointed out above...she is at the head of a party that actually has a somewhat progressive platform. The other party has a fundamental christian platform that basically hasn't changed since they were burning suspected witches at the stake.

GOP appointments to the Supreme Court will be beyond scary.

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generally a funny day for the GOP.

The story about the iowa congressman making statements about how white folk are the primary contributers to history:
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In response, Mr. King said: “This whole ‘old white people’ business does get a little tired, Charlie. I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about? Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
“Than white people?” Mr. Hayes asked.
Mr. King responded: “Than Western civilization itself that’s rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America, and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.
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you would think in a multicultural society, such statements would be PR and political suicide. Scary times that this isn't the case.

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It's insanity that this is even a close race.

Once again showing how broken America is.
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Huh. When I watched the clip of King, it didn't include the first sentence. That's much worse.
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