CPS Amber Alert Issued: Tue Jul 12 1:21 AM 2016 - Now Cancelled For Unhappy Reasons

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Robo

Ugh heart breaking I have a 4 year old daughter and this just breaks my heart. How can someone do that to anyone I watch my daughter and everything is about playing, singing, dancing. She told me what she wants to do when she grows up, that poor little girl had everything taken by some piece of #### low life who should have just killed himself a long time ago and saved everybody the trouble. I also think our justice system failed her and her mom by allowing this monster back on the streets.

Without the benefit of hindsight, I'm not sure how the justice system could have possibly justified a sentence of indefinite custody (ie dangerous offender designation) based on his prior record (at least as posted here.)

[jschick88]

A candlelight vigil is planned Saturday evening for five-year-old Taliyah Marsman and her mother, Sara Baillie.
The public vigil will be held in the northeast community of Skyview Ranch. Organizers say it will begin at 7:30 p.m. at the park across from the Mac’s store on Skyview Ranch Way.
Attendees are encouraged to bring candles, flashlights, or glow sticks.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/vigil-plan...hter-1.2987983

[calgaryblood]

Hmmm why SkyView Ranch? Isn't that where he lived? Would make more sense doing it in the neighborhood the victims lived in wouldn't it?

[Amethyst]

Seems like a strange choice of locations, considering that is apparently where the accused lived. Emotions are running high. I hope it doesn't turn into something else.

[djsFlames]

Someone with his criminal history shouldn't just be allowed to roam around unchecked.

When someone's been dabbling in prostitution, firearms and cocaine, with apparently violent offences in their past, they should have a damn tracker implanted in their flesh like they have for pets. I think after you've shown such criminal tendencies, you should lose your right to that privacy. Because there are some people you just know are going to circle back and do the same, stupid #### or something worse because they just never learn. Not until it's too late.

[Acey]

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[cKy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Someone with his criminal history shouldn't just be allowed to roam around unchecked.

When someone's been dabbling in prostitution, firearms and cocaine, with apparently violent offences in their past, they should have a damn tracker implanted in their flesh like they have for pets. I think after you've shown such criminal tendencies, you should lose your right to that privacy. Because there are some people you just know are going to circle back and do the same, stupid #### or something worse because they just never learn. Not until it's too late.

Ok, so lets assume this guy had a tracker on. He already had a established relationship with these people. So, how exactly would a tracker have prevented this? All it would've done is saved is maybe an Amber Alert and a few days of looking. It wouldnt of prevented this horrible situation at all.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Someone with his criminal history shouldn't just be allowed to roam around unchecked.

When someone's been dabbling in prostitution, firearms and cocaine, with apparently violent offences in their past, they should have a damn tracker implanted in their flesh like they have for pets. I think after you've shown such criminal tendencies, you should lose your right to that privacy. Because there are some people you just know are going to circle back and do the same, stupid #### or something worse because they just never learn. Not until it's too late.

How would a tracker in any way have prevented this?

They would have caught him earlier, but these horrible crimes still would have happened.

[Acey]

As far as his criminal history, my only question would be why the 10 other charges in 2006 were withdrawn, given his past even up to that point. Would sentences for whatever those charges be still have him imprisoned now? Probably not, but I'm curious.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Acey

As far as his criminal history, my only question would be why the 10 other charges in 2006 were withdrawn, given his past even up to that point. Would sentences for whatever those charges be still have him imprisoned now? Probably not, but I'm curious.

I would guess because the Crown probably thought they didn't have enough evidence to convict him.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I would guess because the Crown probably thought they didn't have enough evidence to convict him.

Probably plea deals.

[Slava]

This article gives a more thorough review of the accused and his sort of link to the father. Seems like there are gang ties potentially here. I guess it won't be until a trial when we hear about motives and things like that?

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/c...rges-1.3680702

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Acey

As far as his criminal history, my only question would be why the 10 other charges in 2006 were withdrawn, given his past even up to that point. Would sentences for whatever those charges be still have him imprisoned now? Probably not, but I'm curious.

Typically when there is such a large number of charges withdrawn on one guilty plea it is because the person was charged with several overlapping or redundant offences.

Firearms cases are particularly notorious for this because one incident of illegal possession of a handgun can technically hit the elements of a dozen code provisions.

In the end, the Crown will often want a plea to the most serious count they can prove and the defence will press for the least serious count. A global sentence is usually given regardless, so in some instances withdrawing a whole pile of charges can seem significant when really it is not.

That said without knowing what the 'deal' was it is truly impossible to know if the Crown had given anything up of importance. More importantly, even if they did, you would need to know what problems they might have had with their case before you could fairly criticize any deal.

In fact, the plea deal might well have been the step necessary to get the most possible jail time (running a trial could have led to all acquittals).

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by Slava

This article gives a more thorough review of the accused and his sort of link to the father. Seems like there are gang ties potentially here. I guess it won't be until a trial when we hear about motives and things like that?

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/c...rges-1.3680702

I'll never understand why some women choose to align themselves with slime balls like these guys.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

I'll never understand why some women choose to align themselves with slime balls like these guys.

Hey, jackass. Did you ever consider that maybe she got charmed/played by a career criminal, and on the night she told him to beat it, he did just that?

What? You've never gone on a date or two with a chick that's not what she said she was? You're perfect? Gotcha.

Can I sign up for some training?

[icecube]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Hey, jackass. Did you ever consider that maybe she got charmed/played by a career criminal, and on the night she told him to beat it, he did just that?

What? You've never gone on a date or two with a chick that's not what she said she was? You're perfect? Gotcha.

Can I sign up for some training?

Didn't the article basically say that was the third dude in a row she dated that has ties to a gang known for being into forced prostitution rings? She sounds like she had a thing for lowlifes. Did you ever consider that?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by icecube

Didn't the article basically say that was the third dude in a row she dated that has ties to a gang known for being into forced prostitution rings? She sounds like she had a thing for lowlifes. Did you ever consider that?

Huh. I missed that. Can you quote it please?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Huh. I missed that. Can you quote it please?

States something along those lines here

CBC News has confirmed Downey is connected to the North Preston's Finest (NPF) gang. It also goes by the Willis Crew. NPF members recruits girls in the Maritimes, forcing them into prostitution in cities across Canada, according to Ontario police.

Downey shares this gang connection with Taliyah's father and Baillie's most recent boyfriend.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Huh. I missed that. Can you quote it please?

Your post 355 is at least as speculative.

[manwiches]

Seriously, stop arguing over the life choices of the deceased. People make choices and mistakes in this world. Most get by with barely a scratch.

Unfortunately for Sara and Taliyah, they ended up on the worst side of it all.

Show some respect for them. I didn't know them nor do I pretend to, but I find it distasteful to be victim blaming right now.