Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2016 - Round 6

[Red Menace]

Next for me:
3. Andersson
4. Gillies
5. Shinkaruk
6. Jankowski
7. Hickey
8. Poirier
9. Mangiapane

[Fire]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Tough choice but went with Emile

Curious why you or other Poirier voters would have him ahead of Shinkaruk? Emile had a disappointing season in the AHL and didn't impress in NHL when he got the chance. Shinkaruk was better in both the AHL and NHL and has higher upside imo.

I haven't given up on Poirier but he needs to take his play to another level this coming season or he's trending towards bust territory.

[Iniggywetrust]

I still feel people are over valuing junior prospects.5 and under valuing guys knocking on the door.

Magiapane had the same point totals last year as the year before. He is under sized and was a second entry into the draft. Andersson had a great season, but has a lot to learn about being a pro. Both have potential to be great but both could also bust. History tells us great junior players don't always turn into great pros. Especially in older Junior years.

Shinkaruk was great in Junior, had a solid year in the AHL and showed he could contribute in the NHL. Still a lot of potential and his floor is NHL player.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

I still feel people are over valuing junior prospects.5 and under valuing guys knocking on the door.

Magiapane had the same point totals last year as the year before. He is under sized and was a second entry into the draft. Andersson had a great season, but has a lot to learn about being a pro. Both have potential to be great but both could also bust. History tells us great junior players don't always turn into great pros. Especially in older Junior years.

Shinkaruk was great in Junior, had a solid year in the AHL and showed he could contribute in the NHL. Still a lot of potential and his floor is NHL player.

I see it the other way.

When you draft a guy at the age of 18 he has to keep improving in relation to his peers at 19, 20 and 21 or he won't make it.

A top 5 pick will play without improving, but a guy taken in the second round has to keep improving in relation to his peers or it's over.

When a guy gets to the AHL, and has mixed results it's a sign that he may not be out running the heard any more. We saw that with Poirier last year, certainly saw it with Klimchuk.

Does that mean they are done? Hell no. They can find that burst again and catch up or over take the group and be well on their way again.

A guy like Andersson however hasn't hit that wall. He hasn't played pro hockey yet for sure, and that's the next step. But he took another step in the season after his draft and with that he's still projecting to be an upper roster player.

Wotherspoon didn't take those steps, so now he's likely projecting to a lower roster player, or a tweener as it stands - unless he can surge again.

I value upper roster destination prospects over guys that will play a bit, or are closer, and with that I'll always rate a guy that nailed his post draft season over a guy that is getting by in the AHL.

[Demaeon]

I rank them alphabetically by their favourite food.

[GranteedEV]

People are in a bit of a nervosa about Andersson's fitness. And that's fair. We all remember Ryan Howse.

But for me I see it, Andersson had no difficulty skating "Drew Doughty" minutes against a potent Nylander/McLeod line in the OHL Playoffs. At the end of the day fitness in July is not fitness in September or October. Last year Rasmus was signed to his ELC in September, that suggests to me they were pleased with his progress from 2015 dev camp. Andersson had a long OHL playoff and probably took it too easy afterwards. He should not be excused for it but at the end of the day I have to look at what I saw in that playoff and it was a player who was absolutely dominant at that level not just offensively but everywhere. I have zero doubt Andersson is in for a huge season in the AHL. The facilities and staff at his fingertips will have a positive influence on him not unlike Austin Caroll, another guy who had to learn to be a pro as Huska alluded to. Junior was a poor environment fkr Andersson but I don't question his commitment, and I definitely don't question his talent. If Kylington were not looking to hold Duncan Keith type upside I would say Andersson were our best D prospect... he may have Mark Giordano type upside.

[Stay Golden]

Shinkaruk if he plays like he did when he was called up will make it a tough decision for coaching staff to send him down. Has skill, speed, good hockey IQ and vision. Played with some moxie too.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Magiapane had the same point totals last year as the year before. He is under sized and was a second entry into the draft.

2014/15 - 114 points in 77 games (1.48ppg)
2015/16 - 127 points in 74 games (1.72ppg)

[Calgary4LIfe]

Andersson for me. Even before the fitness issues, I had him a step below Kylington and Hickey.

It is going to be a toss-up for me between Poirier and Pribyl next. Will have to take another gander at all of the material I can find on Pribyl to decide.

I also don't see much in Shinkaruk. I think Poirier (and Pribyl probably) are much better prospects still - possibly a few others I like over Shinkaruk too.

[Stormchaser]

Shinkaruk since I liked what I saw last year.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Andersson for me. Even before the fitness issues, I had him a step below Kylington and Hickey.

It is going to be a toss-up for me between Poirier and Pribyl next. Will have to take another gander at all of the material I can find on Pribyl to decide.

I also don't see much in Shinkaruk. I think Poirier (and Pribyl probably) are much better prospects still - possibly a few others I like over Shinkaruk too.

Yesterday you won me over, but today I'm standing firm with my Shinkaruk vote! I'm way down on Poirier. Pribyl is interesting to me, and I'll have to consider him once Shinkaruk and Andersson are off the board.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Poirier for me. Shinkaruk is a close second here. Andersson should be falling, and for good reason. Part of being a pro is staying in shape and maintaining your fitness level. Huge red flag for guys who don't take that seriously. May not hurt them now against junior kids, but against men who do take this stuff seriously you are at an immediate disadvantage.

Don't understand the Mangiapane love at all. Reminds me a lot of Marty Murray. Not impressed by big time junior scorers unless they can do the same in the professional ranks. Have to see if this kid's skill set can translate to the pro ranks. Not sure how it does. Have to see some success against men before getting excited about another under sized player. There's a reason he was passed over in one draft and then was selected 166th in the next. Can't get excited over a player who statistically has a 15% chance of playing more than 50 NHL games.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

People are in a bit of a nervosa about Andersson's fitness. And that's fair. We all remember Ryan Howse.

But for me I see it, Andersson had no difficulty skating "Drew Doughty" minutes against a potent Nylander/McLeod line in the OHL Playoffs. At the end of the day fitness in July is not fitness in September or October. Last year Rasmus was signed to his ELC in September, that suggests to me they were pleased with his progress from 2015 dev camp. Andersson had a long OHL playoff and probably took it too easy afterwards. He should not be excused for it but at the end of the day I have to look at what I saw in that playoff and it was a player who was absolutely dominant at that level not just offensively but everywhere. I have zero doubt Andersson is in for a huge season in the AHL. The facilities and staff at his fingertips will have a positive influence on him not unlike Austin Caroll, another guy who had to learn to be a pro as Huska alluded to. Junior was a poor environment fkr Andersson but I don't question his commitment, and I definitely don't question his talent. If Kylington were not looking to hold Duncan Keith type upside I would say Andersson were our best D prospect... he may have Mark Giordano type upside.

Ok, that's a fair assessment, but I will take you to task on the bolded. When a player shows up to his 2nd development camp still in pretty bad shape, you have to question his commitment somewhat. Other guys have the same competition level and situation as him, yet they showed up ready for camp and ready to compete for roster opportunities. The difference between being an NHLer and not is often year round commitment to get better at all deficiencies in one's game, and until Andersson shows that he's ready to do that, he doesn't get a pass from me.

That said, I have him next on my list after this round.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Andersson's fitness issues don't really phase me at the moment. He is a junior player that has excelled at the junior game. It is disappointing that he allowed himself to get out of shape again - for the second year in a row - but a couple of seasons in junior being out of shape in my mind is less important than 1 season as a pro. If he has fitness issues beyond this early part of the off-season, I would rank him much lower than I have now.

He just may need some closer monitoring than most prospects, but I just assume he will 'get it' as a pro, though my assumption here may be little more than just blind hope. I just figure if you are the one guy on the team with fitness issues, and now have access to really good professionals will help guide you, it will happen. There is always the "Ryan Howse Exception" of course, but Andersson seems like a kid who has his head on straight, and probably just needs a bit more guidance and monitoring.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Voted Andersson but I am also shocked at how undervalued Shinkaruk is on these boards. 95% of the fan-made starting line-ups don't include Shinkaruk which I find surprising.

I think this Calgary kid is going to be putting in a hard summer and will come to camp determined to take a top-9 spot.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by New Era

Poirier for me. Shinkaruk is a close second here. Andersson should be falling, and for good reason. Part of being a pro is staying in shape and maintaining your fitness level. Huge red flag for guys who don't take that seriously. May not hurt them now against junior kids, but against men who do take this stuff seriously you are at an immediate disadvantage.

Don't understand the Mangiapane love at all. Reminds me a lot of Marty Murray. Not impressed by big time junior scorers unless they can do the same in the professional ranks. Have to see if this kid's skill set can translate to the pro ranks. Not sure how it does. Have to see some success against men before getting excited about another under sized player. There's a reason he was passed over in one draft and then was selected 166th in the next. Can't get excited over a player who statistically has a 15% chance of playing more than 50 NHL games.

I agree about Mangiapane, he needs to excel at the AHL level before I get too excited about him.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by New Era

Poirier for me. Shinkaruk is a close second here. Andersson should be falling, and for good reason. Part of being a pro is staying in shape and maintaining your fitness level. Huge red flag for guys who don't take that seriously. May not hurt them now against junior kids, but against men who do take this stuff seriously you are at an immediate disadvantage.

Don't understand the Mangiapane love at all. Reminds me a lot of Marty Murray. Not impressed by big time junior scorers unless they can do the same in the professional ranks. Have to see if this kid's skill set can translate to the pro ranks. Not sure how it does. Have to see some success against men before getting excited about another under sized player. There's a reason he was passed over in one draft and then was selected 166th in the next. Can't get excited over a player who statistically has a 15% chance of playing more than 50 NHL games.

You obviously haven't been paying very close attention then. His game is very similar to Brad Marchand and Brendan Gallagher. There is plenty of room in the NHL for these types of players nowadays.

Mangiapane was recently voted "Most Underrated Player", "Best Skater", and "Best Shootout Shooter" in the OHL coaches poll. Not to mention he was the biggest standout at last years development camp.

Small players need speed to succeed in the NHL and Mangiapane is very fast and very tenacious.

All signs point to GET HYPED.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ok, that's a fair assessment, but I will take you to task on the bolded. When a player shows up to his 2nd development camp still in pretty bad shape, you have to question his commitment somewhat.

I'm not going to hold him to the standard of a professional while he's an amateur. While he's an amateur he should be held to the standard of an amateur, and I am still seeing progression in his fitness. I would question his commitment if he wasn't looking slimmer and stronger physically. He's obviously put some work in from the day of his draft, people are acting as if he's plateaued physically.

You need to remember that this guy was the least fit player in his draft class - he was starting from a very low point. It's not as simple as "oh, Second dev camp and looked winded, must not have much commitment". You don't get in great shape overnight or even over 12 months. He was in better shape than he was a year ago, just not to the extent that he should be to play in the NHL. And in his case, there's a fine balance between conditioning and fat-burning/muscle-building. It sounds more to me like a failure to balance the two properly than a negligence of either.

If this is an issue after a year pro? I will be the first to question his commitment. Attending a dev camp before returning to your amateur hockey might give some useful guidance, but it's no substitution for actually living as a pro.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Fire

I agree about Mangiapane, he needs to excel at the AHL level before I get too excited about him.

I remember when everyone was saying the same about Gaudreau. Except he didn't spend a second in the AHL.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I'm going to go with Mason McDonald. I think he's a riser this year, even with competition from Gillies and Rittich. Just a hunch.