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Bingo · 07-08-2016, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FBI

Definitely Klimchuk will be moving down..

I look forward to big seasons from Poirier and Klimchuk. Nothing about developing players is a ruler on a page, they go up they go down, there's an ebb and flow to it.

Look at Jankowski ... 5th ... 11th ... 6th ... this year what? 3rd?

have to give these kids time to find their bearings.

Hockey_Ninja · 07-08-2016, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

for fun ...

here is the 2009 process from Calgarypuck as well, comparing to the 2006 rankings.

http://www.calgarypuck.com/future-flames-prospect-list/

Who would've thought that the 9th ranked Brodie would go on to be the best player on that list?

The Fonz · 07-08-2016, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Nothing about developing players is a ruler on a page, they go up they go down, there's an ebb and flow to it.

Robbob · 07-08-2016, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

IIRC Jankowski didn't have to come to this camp, he's attended enough. It's to his credit that he came and wants to continually improve his game.

He probably came just so he could finally keep all the swag from the camp and not have to worry about any sanctions by the NCAA

GranteedEV · 07-08-2016, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Vail

I just don't understand the love for Jankowski. Drafted four years ago, still does not sound ready for the NHL.

Did they say "he will be ready in four years" four years ago?

Or four years ago did they say(paraphrasing here) "We think he'll probably play a 3-4 years in college, another year or two in the AHL, but in ten years we think he has the capability to be the best forward in this draft"?

Look at Radek Faksa. This was another guy from the 2012 draft, although about eight months older.

Year 1, he was a sketchy pick.

Year 2, he was a very poor pick who couldn't even break a PPG in JUNIOR.

Year 3, he was the biggest bust in the draft class who put up the same kind of numbers Klimchuk did last year in the AHL.

Year 4, Suddenly he's playing in the NHL playoffs and he's their best forward not named Benn, Sharp or Spezza.

Teams that draft well, draft with a long term vision in mind. There was no gain to be had from Nail Yakupov turning rookie right away from that draft. The Stars, and the Flames are teams that follow the Detroit Red Wings model of drafting what they perceive as talent, and developing it. Development is not gauged solely by statistical progression devoid of context nor is upside measured by a sprint. Give me Faksa over Yakupov any day. And I see even more upside in our Jankowski than I see in Faksa.

Strange Brew · 07-08-2016, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Which he really shouldn't. He wasn't given an opportunity to produce offensively and excelled defensively.

I admittedly have seen very little of his play last year, but what does it mean he wasn't given an opportunity to produce offensively? I understand he may have been slotted in a defensive role but was he told not to cross center ice?

edslunch · 07-08-2016, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FBI

Definitely Klimchuk will be moving down..

Was he even at development camp? He may be a fine prospect but he's a ninja - never se or hear about him

getbak · 07-08-2016, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

Was he even at development camp? He may be a fine prospect but he's a ninja - never se or hear about him

No. He has already attended 3.

thymebalm · 07-08-2016, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Wotherspoon has never lived up to his potential and has had plenty of opportunity to claim a regular spot. I'd say he's one more shot away from it being his last. They can't continue to wait and hope he finally gets there with the amount of depth behind him.

Kulak in my opinion had a great camp and was very steady and reliable in his call-up last year and was surprised he was sent back down, although I was happy with Nakladal's play so wasn't depressed about it. Just seems to be a better option to me and I feel he'll be the first in line for the next open roster spot.

Shinkaruk has to have shown enough at the end of last year that if he doesn't have a rough camp he'll get more NHL time.

But the better question is what have you seen out of Wotherspoon that you think he's likely to hold down a spot?

For me, what I saw out of both Kulak and Shinkaruk were two players that could take the NHL pace in spurts, but saw they both lacked consistency in their showings. They were call up material, but not roster ready. What I saw with Wotherspoon during his final call up was a player able to play good minutes relatively mistake free. He isn't a flashy prospect, but I didn't see him looking out of place once last season.

I saw Wotherspoon / Nakladal as a completely acceptable 5/6 pairing. I didn't see a 200ft game from Shinkaruk that would make me want to play him 82 games this year, and Kulak just looked a little raw and lost.

I expected Wotherspoon to make the team out of camp last year, but Kulak exploded past him before fading back to where he was. they are close, but from where I'm sitting, Wotherspoon is ahead.

Shinkaruk vs Wotherspoon is obviously not an apples to apples comparison, but when a rookie comes in hungry to score and winds up a minus player, it makes me question their NHL maturity.

Roof-Daddy · 07-08-2016, 07:14 PM

^^

I think both Hamilton and Hathaway looked pretty much NHL ready, and it's probably easier to make the NHL as a 4th line winger than a bottom pairing Dman.

So, IMO it is debatable as to who is the most NHL ready guy from Stockton.

That's a good thing though.

thymebalm · 07-08-2016, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

^^

I think both Hamilton and Hathaway looked pretty much NHL ready, and it's probably easier to make the NHL as a 4th line winger than a bottom pairing Dman.

So, IMO it is debatable as to who is the most NHL ready guy from Stockton.

That's a good thing though.

I'd say Hathaway most easily takes Jooris' spot up front. Wotherspoon still seems like he's an easy first promotion on the backend. Nothing flashy but well seasoned and has the most NHL games behind him.

btimbit · 07-08-2016, 07:23 PM

Tkachuk. Upside is terrific.

2-5 should be really interesting polls. I expect a good Jankowski v Gillies thread for #2

timbit · 07-08-2016, 07:32 PM

The 6 2 205 lb Hickey has a lot of upside , perhaps a top pairing D.
Exceptional edges and acceleration with an IQ to match.
Next to Tkachuk, I believe he is the surest bet to be a core player.

Roof-Daddy · 07-08-2016, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

The 6 2 205 lb Hickey has a lot of upside , perhaps a top pairing D.
Exceptional edges and acceleration with an IQ to match.
Next to Tkachuk, I believe he is the surest bet to be a core player.

Yeah, TJ Brodie like skating but an inch taller and will probably play 20-25 lbs heavier.

He'll have to develop more of an offensive game to be top pairing IMO, but with his IQ, skating, size and apparent defensive ability he looks like a decent bet to make it as a top 4 shut down D.

Flash Walken · 07-08-2016, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

The 6 2 205 lb Hickey has a lot of upside , perhaps a top pairing D.
Exceptional edges and acceleration with an IQ to match.
Next to Tkachuk, I believe he is the surest bet to be a core player.

Who would you compare his play style to in the NHL?

Roof-Daddy · 07-08-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Who would you compare his play style to in the NHL?

Karl Alzner?

timbit · 07-08-2016, 08:01 PM

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Who would you compare his play style to in the NHL?

Maybe Noah Hanifin, which would be nice.

transplant99 · 07-08-2016, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

The 6 2 205 lb Hickey has a lot of upside , perhaps a top pairing D.
Exceptional edges and acceleration with an IQ to match.
Next to Tkachuk, I believe he is the surest bet to be a core player.

Yup...his development has been brilliant and shows little sign of regressing. Play one more year of NCAA and then turn pro is my guess.

Looking like a steal of a pick.

Caged Great · 07-08-2016, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

Was he even at development camp? He may be a fine prospect but he's a ninja - never se or hear about him

He actually was, although not in the main portion. Each day he was on the ice with Shinkaruk working with the power skating coach.

jeffman · 07-08-2016, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Who would've thought that the 9th ranked Brodie would go on to be the best player on that list?

That's the thing about developing defensive prospects, you have to have a large stable to get a dark horse. Who would have thought Giordano would be the best out of Richie Regher, Matt Pelech or Tim Ramholt or that Brodie would be the best out of Erixon, Aulie, Negrin. I wonder who will be on the blue line of the future out of Hickey, Kylington, Andersson, Matson and Fox?