What's the difference betwen 6.5 and 7.5 million when you're already making in one season miles beyond what 90% of the rest of humanity hopes to in their lifetime?
How much does a person need?
They're competitive within the confines of the game and that much is obvious. But when it comes to getting to work a dream job, and with their respective personalities, I somehow doubt they're the ones driving the stalemate. Not with the kind of families they seem to have been raised from either. In a lot of cases with these young players that are good, but still adjusting to the realization of what they are even getting to do for a living, it's likely the agent telling them what to take and what not to take, what they're worth etc.
I think Johnny in particular has more than enough sense to realize how a large cap hit may affect the teams ability to keep a winning team together later. He may be a proud individual but he bleeds team spirit.
I dunno. Maybe I just overestimate humanity though. Maybe when faced with the prospect of millions of dollars, people really do end up clawing for every last cent they can get.
You are making a lot of assumptions in that post. Also, I think you are very much under valuing just how big and material a difference that money would make to these players. I certainly can't relate, I can't really understand what the difference would be as I don't have that kind of money, but it's a lot. And you missed the whole point of my post, the difference I was talking about isn't the actual dollars, it's what the dollars represent in comparison to their peers. These guys likely think they are among the best in the NHL, they'd likely like their compensation to reflect.
Also, I'd wager Brodie feels like he undervalued himself on that deal, and wishes he'd not locked in for as long as he did at that price point, as it's become clear with his play the past year or so, that he undervalued himself in those negotiations (good for Brad).
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Brodie took a discount.
Hamilton took a discount.
Giordano took a discount.
Backlund took a discount.
Brouwer took a discount.
That's cultural. "We want to build a winner here gentlemen, we need your help in doing so by giving us a discount to attract better players."
Only Brodie on that list can truly be said is on a discount contract. Gio maybe up front, but he's getting paid more than he should on the back half of that deal.
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And they say m, sorry we don't agree with you discount philosophy and it may be time to move us because we aint buying into that BS. Pay us or trade us.
I doubt theyll holdout at any point but they wont give in to low ball offers.
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Treliving, can leverage the dressing room.
Brodie took a discount.
Hamilton took a discount.
Giordano took a discount.
Backlund took a discount.
Brouwer took a discount.
That's cultural. "We want to build a winner here gentlemen, we need your help in doing so by giving us a discount to attract better players."
Brodie took a discount.
Hamilton took a discount.
Giordano took a discount.
Backlund took a discount.
Brouwer took a discount.
That's cultural. "We want to build a winner here gentlemen, we need your help in doing so by giving us a discount to attract better players."
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Brodie is on a good contract. I don't believe he took a "discount" when signing it but his play has surpassed his contract. Arguably same for Backlund to a lesser extent.
Can't begin to say that for the rest.
Very,very few pro athletes sign a discounted contract to play for a team they like.
Lets be honest. If I were in Gaudreau's shoes, and Treliving is adamant in only offering me $6M to $6.5M per year, then I'd just say, fine, since I'm giving you a discount, then I only want to sign for 5 years max.
That term is still pretty generous. If the offer was 6 - 6.5 I don't know why Gaudreau wouldn't only go for a couple of years.
Brodie took a discount.
Hamilton took a discount.
Giordano took a discount.
Backlund took a discount.
Brouwer took a discount.
That's cultural. "We want to build a winner here gentlemen, we need your help in doing so by giving us a discount to attract better players."
The only person on that list that can be said to have taken a discount is Brodie. And truth be told I don't think he took a discount, I think he and his agent screwed up and undervalued himself and locked in to the benefit of the Flames.
It's also important to remember that these guys have to account for trades and such as well because they can't have clauses for a few years yet. You're going to be careful taking any discount to help the team out when there's no guarantee that you'll always be on that team.
What's the difference betwen 6.5 and 7.5 million when you're already making in one season miles beyond what 90% of the rest of humanity hopes to in their lifetime?
Approximately 1.0 million...
I mean I see what you are getting at, but if you go in to negotiate your salary as an engineer with a big oil company do you take a massive discount on what the market value of your services is because, well, the janitor gets by on way less? That makes no sense.
If you want to put it in different terms than just dollars, maybe the difference is 5 more years of spending time with your family instead of working longer.
Maybe its the difference between paying off all of your mom and dad's debt as payback for two decades of them supporting you pursuing your dream.
It really could be well...a million different things
I get the idea of negotiating a mutually acceptable compromise position, but I don't get why some people seem to think because you are making millions you should be somehow shamed into taking less than you are worth within your profession.
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Brodie is on a good contract. I don't believe he took a "discount" when signing it but his play has surpassed his contract. Arguably same for Backlund to a lesser extent.
Can't begin to say that for the rest.
Very,very few pro athletes sign a discounted contract to play for a team they like.
I think it was pretty much universally accepted that Brodie took a discount. That contract was a steal the day it was signed.
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Really bad news guys. I was at Jugo Juice and overheard Burke say Monahan and Gaudreau are both being shipped to the KHL. Some team over there likes them a lot and is willing to pay them matching 10x10 contracts.
I mean I see what you are getting at, but if you go in to negotiate your salary as an engineer with a big oil company do you take a massive discount on what the market value of your services is because, well, the janitor gets by on way less? That makes no sense.
If you want to put it in different terms than just dollars, maybe the difference is 5 more years of spending time with your family instead of working longer.
Maybe its the difference between paying off all of your mom and dad's debt as payback for two decades of them supporting you pursuing your dream.
It really could be well...a million different things
I get the idea of negotiating a mutually acceptable compromise position, but I don't get why some people seem to think because you are making millions you should be somehow shamed into taking less than you are worth within your profession.
I mean I see what you are getting at, but if you go in to negotiate your salary as an engineer with a big oil company do you take a massive discount on what the market value of your services is because, well, the janitor gets by on way less? That makes no sense.
If you want to put it in different terms than just dollars, maybe the difference is 5 more years of spending time with your family instead of working longer.
Maybe its the difference between paying off all of your mom and dad's debt as payback for two decades of them supporting you pursuing your dream.
It really could be well...a million different things
I get the idea of negotiating a mutually acceptable compromise position, but I don't get why some people seem to think because you are making millions you should be somehow shamed into taking less than you are worth within your profession.
Many fans don't see players as people like us, but rather as assets and toys to be moved around to satisfy our need to enjoy watching our home team win. People want players to sign smaller contracts and take discounts in the hope that our team can build a winner. Yet I can't think of very many people who would willingly do the same thing at their own job.
People don't want players to have NMC/NTC in their contracts so that they can be moved at a moments notice, ignoring the fact that many of these guys have families that might have to be uprooted and moved along with them. I know that if my boss told me I had to pack up and move to a new city the next day, I'd be pretty upset. Yet fans fully expect players to not have any control over that, nor do they want them to have that control. A player like Mats Sundin is publicly shamed for enacting his NMC, yet 99% of the rest of society would do the same damn thing given the choice.
I as much as anyone want Gaudreau and Monahan to sign asap. But I fully understand the position their agents are taking and dragging it along in order to score more money. Sure I'd love to have them sign tomorrow and then be able to post all day long and read everyone's comments. But the reality is that those are human beings on the other side and they are going to look after their own interests.
I don't blame any player one bit for holding out for more money or enacting whatever type of NTC/NMC they might have in their contract. Most people here would do the exact same. But fans have a sense of entitlement for whatever reason when it comes to judging for what players sign for. Like it's ''owed'' to them to take less money.
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after the crazy contracts that were handed out in the NBA free agency period, there were lots of fans that complained, but the reality is that we the fans are the reason why these guys get paid what they get paid...
if people are that upset about salaries, they should just stop going to games, paying for Centre Ice or watching on "free tv", buying merchandise...because someone is getting paid, be it the owner or the player, when people are willing to spend money like they do on sports.
so, i can't blame them for trying to max out on their contracts...afterall, we are the ones enabling it to begin with.
It's odd that people think those two should be OK with taking less than market value.
Even a player with an above average career length has a very short earning window. And a very realistic chance exists that a typical career is cut short due to injury. Anyone think Ramo plays another game in the NHL?
