Last thing on the checklist - Sign Monahan and Gaudreau

[Buff]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

News Update

Wes Gilbertson @WesGilbertson
The latest from #Flames GM Brad Treliving on contract extensions for Gaudreau and Monahan: "Inching along."

An inch an hour, two feet a day

[puckedoff]

^ Good slogan for a sorority

[Buff]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

^ Good slogan for a sorority

There's this f###### band you got to see.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Would love to know what the Flames are currently offering Gaudreau and Monahan.

I'm glad we don't - people would be in a state if it leaked that Johnny is asking for 8x8. Which, if you're the agent, is exactly what you should be asking for.

And knowing how Treliving negotiates, I still think we see them sign matching 8x6.74 for both. What can you do with $64 million that you can't do with $53.92 million, kids? Seriously. I don't see either getting more than Gio.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'm glad we don't - people would be in a state if it leaked that Johnny is asking for 8x8. Which, if you're the agent, is exactly what you should be asking for.

And knowing how Treliving negotiates, I still think we see them sign matching 8x6.74 for both. What can you do with $64 million that you can't do with $53.92 million, kids? Seriously. I don't see either getting more than Gio.

That would be so sweet!

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'm glad we don't - people would be in a state if it leaked that Johnny is asking for 8x8. Which, if you're the agent, is exactly what you should be asking for.

And knowing how Treliving negotiates, I still think we see them sign matching 8x6.74 for both. What can you do with $64 million that you can't do with $53.92 million, kids? Seriously. I don't see either getting more than Gio.

Don't you think if they were going to take a cheaper contract like that (at least in gaudreu's case) they would be signed already?

[Gaskal]

If I'm Gaudreau's agent, 8 mill seems like the right first asking price too, considering Tarasenko's contract.

If I'm Monahan's agent, I'm starting off with a 6.5-7 million ask (Forsberg, Barkov).

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Don't you think if they were going to take a cheaper contract like that (at least in gaudreu's case) they would be signed already?

I think 8x6.74 takes a considerable amount of work on Brad Treliving's part, and I'm willing to let the man do his thing. Everyone else has taken less than what we thought. I don't see why these two would be any different. TJ Brodie is more important than either Johnny or Monahan, and he makes 4.65m.

I Trelieve.

[djsFlames]

I actually don't know how on earth it can take months to agree on money and term for a contract when you already have comparable players that have signed to look at to narrow the ballpark down significantly.

No idea how you couldn't sit down for an hour in a room together having done their homework and not hammer out a number and term. Johnny and Sean aren't the sort of kids to push too hard I don't think. It's gotta be the agents. Probably exchanging 30 second voice messages between their summer vacations. Just get it ####ing done already, you money sucking slugs.

[Drak]

I'm a nervous guy in general. I feel nervous.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I actually don't know how on earth it can take months to agree on money and term for a contract when you already have comparable players that have signed to look at to narrow the ballpark down significantly.

No idea how you couldn't sit down for an hour in a room together having done their homework and not hammer out a number and term. Johnny and Sean aren't the sort of kids to push too hard I don't think. It's gotta be the agents. Probably exchanging 30 second voice messages between their summer vacations. Just get it ####ing done already, you money sucking slugs.

I know we all only see the best in our favorite hockey hero's, but where the heck to you get the above from. Two ultra competitive guys (that's a great thing). People that are competitive in one aspect are often competitive in others. These guys want to earn as much as possible, because it reflects recognition for what people think they are worth. I'm not saying they are money hungry, and that they might not consider the team situation and how their money impacts the cap and the ability to create a winner, but these guys are going to want deals that symbolize to them we think they are among the best players in the game, and the future elite stars of the NHL.

That gets tough on these types of contracts, because the team is paying in advance for expected results later. While I'm surprised it's taken this long also, I'm not that worried, but I hardly think we can say Johnny and Sean wouldn't be pushing on these deals, those guys want to get paid, for multiple reasons.

[djsFlames]

What's the difference betwen 6.5 and 7.5 million when you're already making in one season miles beyond what 90% of the rest of humanity hopes to in their lifetime?
How much does a person need?
They're competitive within the confines of the game and that much is obvious. But when it comes to getting to work a dream job, and with their respective personalities, I somehow doubt they're the ones driving the stalemate. Not with the kind of families they seem to have been raised from either. In a lot of cases with these young players that are good, but still adjusting to the realization of what they are even getting to do for a living, it's likely the agent telling them what to take and what not to take, what they're worth etc.

I think Johnny in particular has more than enough sense to realize how a large cap hit may affect the teams ability to keep a winning team together later. He may be a proud individual but he bleeds team spirit.

I dunno. Maybe I just overestimate humanity though. Maybe when faced with the prospect of millions of dollars, people really do end up clawing for every last cent they can get.

[djsFlames]

I just know that if it were me, I'd be taking the Brodie route. Just take 4.65 and help my team out even when I could be pushing for 7. Because why not?

So much respect for that young man.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

What's the difference betwen 6.5 and 7.5 million when you're already making in one season miles beyond what 90% of the rest of humanity hopes to in their lifetime?
How much does a person need?
They're competitive within the confines of the game and that much is obvious. But when it comes to getting to work a dream job, and with their respective personalities, I somehow doubt they're the ones driving the stalemate. Not with the kind of families they seem to have been raised from either. In a lot of cases with these young players that are good, but still adjusting to the realization of what they are even getting to do for a living, it's likely the agent telling them what to take and what not to take, what they're worth etc.

I think Johnny in particular has more than enough sense to realize how a large cap hit may affect the teams ability to keep a winning team together later. He may be a proud individual but he bleeds team spirit.

I dunno. Maybe I just overestimate humanity though. Maybe when faced with the prospect of millions of dollars, people really do end up clawing for every last cent they can get.

I would say it's a significant difference. $6.5M vs. $7.5M over 8 years is an additional $8M left on the table. It's easy for use normal blokes to say there's not much difference when their contracts are way higher than normal salaries at either number, but if I had a chance negotiate $6.5M vs. $7.5M for 8 years, you bet I'll put in all the work and effort to get to as close to the $7.5M as possible.

And really, what's the rush for Gaudreau and Monahan to sign from their perspective? They still got the whole summer.

[The Yen Man]

Lets be honest. If I were in Gaudreau's shoes, and Treliving is adamant in only offering me $6M to $6.5M per year, then I'd just say, fine, since I'm giving you a discount, then I only want to sign for 5 years max.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I would say it's a significant difference. $6.5M vs. $7.5M over 8 years is an additional $8M left on the table. It's easy for use normal blokes to say there's not much difference when their contracts are way higher than normal salaries at either number, but if I had a chance negotiate $6.5M vs. $7.5M for 8 years, you bet I'll put in all the work and effort to get to as close to the $7.5M as possible.

And really, what's the rush for Gaudreau and Monahan to sign from their perspective? They still got the whole summer.

To give their GM a larger window to make additional moves before the start of the following season knowing how much space he then has to work with?

You know, just seems respectful and professional. Rather than string them along because 'it's summer'.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

What's the difference betwen 6.5 and 7.5 million when you're already making in one season miles beyond what 90% of the rest of humanity hopes to in their lifetime?
How much does a person need?
They're competitive within the confines of the game and that much is obvious. But when it comes to getting to work a dream job, and with their respective personalities, I somehow doubt they're the ones driving the stalemate. Not with the kind of families they seem to have been raised from either. In a lot of cases with these young players that are good, but still adjusting to the realization of what they are even getting to do for a living, it's likely the agent telling them what to take and what not to take, what they're worth etc.

I think Johnny in particular has more than enough sense to realize how a large cap hit may affect the teams ability to keep a winning team together later. He may be a proud individual but he bleeds team spirit.

I dunno. Maybe I just overestimate humanity though. Maybe when faced with the prospect of millions of dollars, people really do end up clawing for every last cent they can get.

Why wouldn't every star sign for 3 million then?

[The Yen Man]

How are you stringing them along though? The player and the agent have a number they're starting from, and Treliving has one where he's starting from. They'll probably meet somewhere in the middle, but it takes time to negotiate it. I don't know about you, but if I'm negotiating a contract that's going to affect me for the next 8 years of my life, I'd take my time to get it done carefully and how I want. If it takes all summer, it takes all summer.

You say it's not fair to the Flames that it takes too long, but I'd argue it's equally as unfair to pressure and rush a player to sign a contract when they're not ready to.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't mind that this is taking a while. BT is proving to be what looks like a shrewd negotiator. These are obviously very important players for this franchise, but at the same time you certainly don't want a GM that just falls over with his legs in the air and just gives them whatever they want. Every little bit of room you can get here helps in the long run, and also sets a precedent for future negotiations with players like Bennett etc.

[cam_wmh]

Treliving, can leverage the dressing room.

Brodie took a discount.
Hamilton took a discount.
Giordano took a discount.
Backlund took a discount.
Brouwer took a discount.

That's cultural.
"We want to build a winner here gentlemen, we need your help in doing so by giving us a discount to attract better players."