Euro 2016 Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Australia and Ukraine in 2006 knockout stages on way to World Cup. It all evens out eventually.

True - although the Round of 16 in the World Cup is usually a little soft IMO, and Ukraine is similar to Wales now in that they had one of the top players in the world at the time in Shevchenko.

Still had to beat Germany at home in the Semi-Finals and won a tough group to start.

More of an issue for me when you win your group and get the draw Italy did, while a 3rd place team got the cupcake draw.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by devo22

seeing it again in the replay, that's a brilliant penalty call. Kudos to the ref.

Yeah initially I thought he was off his rocker, but yeah, there was contact there.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by devo22

seeing it again in the replay, that's a brilliant penalty call. Kudos to the ref.

Just no, terrible refereeing. "Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm." Calling that deliberate is a joke.

On the other hand, knocking the opposing player down actually does NOT have to be deliberate to be worth a penalty kick. The referee is operating from his very own rulebook, saving the clearly worse teams hide in the process.

Should be 1-0 or 2-0 for Germany. Worst refereeing of the tournament in the otherwise best game.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Itse

Just no, terrible refereeing. A handball has to be deliberate.

On the other hand, knocking the opposing player down actually does NOT have to be deliberate to be worth a penalty kick. The referee is operating from his very own rulebook, saving the clearly worse teams hide in the process.

Should be 1-0 or 2-0 for Germany. Worst refereeing of the tournament in the otherwise best game.

I mean if you're jumping up to contest a header and your hands are up and it hits the ball that's pretty deliberate. The natural hand position when jumping up to head a ball isn't beside the head.

[vennegoor of hesselink]

Sounds like it was the touchline official who made the call for the penalty.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Itse

Just no, terrible refereeing. "Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm." Calling that deliberate is a joke.

On the other hand, knocking the opposing player down actually does NOT have to be deliberate to be worth a penalty kick. The referee is operating from his very own rulebook, saving the clearly worse teams hide in the process.

Should be 1-0 or 2-0 for Germany. Worst refereeing of the tournament in the otherwise best game.

I guess we have a different understanding of what a handball is.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Itse

Just no, terrible refereeing. "Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm." Calling that deliberate is a joke.

On the other hand, knocking the opposing player down actually does NOT have to be deliberate to be worth a penalty kick. The referee is operating from his very own rulebook, saving the clearly worse teams hide in the process.

Should be 1-0 or 2-0 for Germany. Worst refereeing of the tournament in the otherwise best game.

Yes, but it also comes down to hand position. Similar to the Boateng call, if his hands had been at his sides or drawn to his body I'd agree with you, but you cant throw your hands in the air like that.

The French player got his head on the ball and it would have been heading goalwards if it hadnt hit Schweinsteiger's hand. You have to call that. And trust me, no one is more pissed off about it than me.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Itse

Just no, terrible refereeing. "Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm." Calling that deliberate is a joke.

On the other hand, knocking the opposing player down actually does NOT have to be deliberate to be worth a penalty kick. The referee is operating from his very own rulebook, saving the clearly worse teams hide in the process.

Should be 1-0 or 2-0 for Germany. Worst refereeing of the tournament in the otherwise best game.

By that definition then defenders would always defend with their hands above their head and act like it is not deliberate.

That gets called 100% of the time in the box if the ref sees it - can't argue much about that.

Do think that the one at the other end could have easily been a penalty though - contact was made right as he was attempting the shot.

[MillerTime GFG]

Ya, that's why you see a lot of players when defending in their own box, holding their arms behind their body. Arm position has everything to do with it in the 18. "Ball to hand" more so applies to outside the 18.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by nik-

I mean if you're jumping up to contest a header and your hands are up and it hits the ball that's pretty deliberate. The natural hand position when jumping up to head a ball isn't beside the head.

The rule says nothing about the natural position of the hand. In fact, it actually says pretty much the opposite:"

"the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement"

The rule also says the referee should consider
"the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)" Which is what happened here. Schweinsteiger clearly does not extend his hand towards the ball, it just happens to hit it. It also quite clearly did not really affect the play, the ball would have just hit another part of one of the two players without being a controlled play.

If the hand actually stops the ball in the air it's a very different thing.

Pretty clear cut bad call.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Itse

If the hand actually stops the ball in the air it's a very different thing.

Pretty clear cut bad call.

The hand clearly stopped the ball in the air - the photo above has it perfectly.

The rule can be interpreted however you want but that is a call that gets made 100% of the time if the ref sees it.

In no way was it a bad call, and it's not a clear cut bad call at all.

[GirlySports]

if your hands are outstretched you are 'deliberately' blocking space and making yourself bigger. Otherwise players in the wall would have their arms over their heads instead of in front of them.

[devo22]

that's it for Boateng. Had a bad game anyway IMO, Giroud could have punished him twice. But luckily for them, Giroud is not a very good striker.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The hand clearly stopped the ball in the air - the photo above has it perfectly.

The rule can be interpreted however you want but that is a call that gets made 100% of the time if the ref sees it.

Just because it's a common bad call does not make it a good call.

Seems like those handballs are then only thing the new referees are calling, because they've done very little to do what their original intention was, stopping the pulling and shoving in front of the goal. The players have started to be wary of those calls, but that still does not mean it's a good call.

FIFA has even specifically instructed for more lenience in incidental handballs, and elsewhere around the field those instructions have mostly been followed. If that happened elsewhere on the field, no way that's called a deliberate handball and carded.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

True - although the Round of 16 in the World Cup is usually a little soft IMO, and Ukraine is similar to Wales now in that they had one of the top players in the world at the time in Shevchenko.

Still had to beat Germany at home in the Semi-Finals and won a tough group to start.

More of an issue for me when you win your group and get the draw Italy did, while a 3rd place team got the cupcake draw.

I get your point. Portugal got a good Holland squad in round of 16 after winning their three group matches in 2006, just for the record.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Has to be frustrating match for Germany fans, totally dominating the game but the one huge mistake has them behind.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

if your hands are outstretched you are 'deliberately' blocking space and making yourself bigger. Otherwise players in the wall would have their arms over their heads instead of in front of them.

No, because that would clearly break the rule.

The question now is essentially this: did the player deliberately place his arms in a way that increases the chances of the ball hitting them. If you put your arms over your head in a wall, the answer would be "yes". if you use your hands to jump up, that should be "no".

The rule has been like this since 2012 or 2014, can't remember which. It's a newish interpretations. It's an easy rules change to miss, but the refs should know this stuff.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Itse

Just because it's a common bad call does not make it a good call.

Seems like those handballs are then only thing the new referees are calling, because they've done very little to do what their original intention was, stopping the pulling and shoving in front of the goal. The players have started to be wary of those calls, but that still does not mean it's a good call.

FIFA has even specifically instructed for more lenience in incidental handballs, and elsewhere around the field those instructions have mostly been followed. If that happened elsewhere on the field, no way that's called a deliberate handball and carded.

Ramsey. The ball was transitioned and then bang in a split second it was kicked against this arm which was exposed. yellow card, suspended for semi.

[Addick]

Did I just hear the Viking Chant?

[Senator Clay Davis]

The Iceland chant is going to take over European football this year. I think I heard it was a Motherwell (???) chant first (besides probably being a Viking invasion chant originally).