Black Lives Matter get police float kicked out of Pride Parade

[afc wimbledon]

The sad irony is I suspect cops and police forces that take part in Pride parades are far less likely to shoot black kids for no reason.

I have no problem with the BLM movement but the whole police thing in Toronto was very wrong headed, now in Quebec I'd get it, QPP are racist mofos

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I both agree and disagree.

I have the most trouble wrapping my head around those, like Zulu most recently, who seemed to just need to be outraged by BLM without much thought. I think you've stated your issue extremely well and it's a broader one, but I'm hearing a lot of "How could they do this at Pride?" Sort of stuff, which tells me immediately that those people A. have no idea why BLM was even there and didn't bother to look into it, and B. don't really know/care much about the history of Pride at all. What they were protesting for (aside from the police float) were very real issues facing the LGBTQ community but still a few people tunnel visioned on the police thing.

Ironically, the people who think BLM tried to "ruin" Pride with their protest/activism might be the same people a fair selection of the LGBTQ community believe ruined Pride by taking all of the politics out of it and making it a corporate family thing.

It just seems like something that could use a boost of awareness and should be a serious discussion amongst the LGBTQ community about the problem of racism within has been discarded, and we got another conversation about BLM and the police which is fine, but seems like a stretch in this scenario. But the media wants what it wants.

90% of BLM is the black community vs. the police, so nobody should be surprised that this becomes the dominating theme when they become involved. Also, this particular demand is jarring as every other demand was intended to be inclusive. This particular one was intended to be exclusive, and given the contextual history of BLM, was pretty much guaranteed to garner the headlines.

You can sit there and blame the media all you want - I think this is exactly what BLM wanted. They're the cause of this focus, not the media.

[ResAlien]

And that's the focus for good reason

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2700548

"His hand was not in his pocket, nor did he have the gun in his hand,” he said, defending Sterling’s final moments.

“While he was laying there dying, the cop went inside his pocket to pull the gun out"

What are the odds.

[Resolute 14]

Absolutely. However - and I won't pretend we're perfect in this regard - one can't compare the American situation to the Canadian.

American BLM groups protesting against police brutality is completely understandable. Canadian BLM groups protesting against the Toronto police is... about as curious as Occupy Calgary was. It comes off more as a bunch of extremist me toos trying to become famous.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

And that's the focus for good reason

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2700548



What are the odds.

Any Canadian articles?

For so many things we pride ourselves at not being American. Our hospitality, politeness, generousity, social progress, tolerance, not being crazy over guns and military.

Yet police brutality is the one aspect of American culture that we co-opt?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Any Canadian articles?

For so many things we pride ourselves at not being American. Our hospitality, politeness, generousity, social progress, tolerance, not being crazy over guns and military.

Yet police brutality is the one aspect of American culture that we co-opt?

I linked a list of Canadian cops shooting (predominantly colored/native) people earlier in the thread, which has jumped by a staggering amount in the last 5 years.

[Nyah]

A couple things about the list you posted, where are you getting that these people are predominantly coloured or native? I'm did a search on the first handful of names and it's a lot of white people too. Not only that, there is almost always a reason for the shooting (would not drop weapon, advanced on police, charged police with vehicle, etc). On top of all that, all police involved shootings in Canada are investigated by a separate party. Police shootings happen, but Canada has no where near the level of violence as the States does in regards to their law enforcement vs. citizens.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I linked a list of Canadian cops shooting (predominantly colored/native) people earlier in the thread, which has jumped by a staggering amount in the last 5 years.

Your list includes the following as evidence of police brutality and systemic racism and whatever else BLM was protesting about:

A man attacked two Canadian military personnel with his vehicle, killing one, and fled when the police arrived. He later crashed his car after a short pursuit, exited the vehicle, and ran toward the police officers with a knife before he was shot. During the police pursuit, Rouleau is said to have called 911 and to explain that he was doing this "in the name of Allah". See 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa.

I don't know. I guess we'll have to disagree on this, as I don't consider that sort of thing to be brutality at all.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

And that's the focus for good reason

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2700548



What are the odds.

Not to derail this thread anymore but again... lets not judge the actions of police by 1 - 15 second video! F'ing internet justice system at its best!

[rubecube]

I didn't really feel this warranted a new thread, but this is kind of what PepsiFree and I were talking about. Pretty tacky/tasteless stuff.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Your list includes the following as evidence of police brutality and systemic racism and whatever else BLM was protesting about:



I don't know. I guess we'll have to disagree on this, as I don't consider that sort of thing to be brutality at all.

Great catch!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I didn't really feel this warranted a new thread, but this is kind of what PepsiFree and I were talking about. Pretty tacky/tasteless stuff.

And of course, to be fair, any picture of Trudeau in his pink polo and white jeans. Or any picture of Jack Layton - who actually sexed himself up for Pride!

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I didn't really feel this warranted a new thread, but this is kind of what PepsiFree and I were talking about. Pretty tacky/tasteless stuff.

"Because it's the current year"...What does that even mean?

[taco.vidal]

So you were marching in the parade and didnt like these people marching beside you? Or were you watching the parade to support it and didnt like their float and signs?

Originally Posted by rubecube

I didn't really feel this warranted a new thread, but this is kind of what PepsiFree and I were talking about. Pretty tacky/tasteless stuff.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

"Because it's the current year"...What does that even mean?

They wanted to save money by printing signs they can use every year rather than ones that say, "Because it's 2016!" Then, they'd have to get new ones next year that say, "Because it's 2017!"

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

So you were marching in the parade and didnt like these people marching beside you? Or were you watching the parade to support it and didnt like their float and signs?

More like their awful "LGBTory" tagline takes Transgenders (the actual "T") out of the equation at the expense of a mediocre co-opted pseudo-acronym.

It's tone-deaf at best.

Originally Posted by Regorium

Your list includes the following as evidence of police brutality and systemic racism and whatever else BLM was protesting about:

I don't know. I guess we'll have to disagree on this, as I don't consider that sort of thing to be brutality at all.

It is a catch-all list of police shootings in Canada, but that's some excellent cherry-picking regardless. I never presented it as a definitive list of police brutality. Reading is hard.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

"Because it's the current year"...What does that even mean?

I think it is Ambrose trying to one up Trudeau's "because it's 2015" when he was asked about the gender split in his cabinet but she failed miserably.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I didn't really feel this warranted a new thread, but this is kind of what PepsiFree and I were talking about. Pretty tacky/tasteless stuff.

I am confused, I take this as the PC's supporting the LBGT community, am I incorrect?

Were you being sarcastic?

I think I need to drink my coffee this morning and then post!

[PsYcNeT]

I like how Rona Ambrose half-assing it politically is seen as progressive.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

I am confused, I take this as the PC's supporting the LBGT community, am I incorrect?



Were you being sarcastic?



I think I need to drink my coffee this morning and then post!

As has been pointed out:
A. They replaced transgender with "Tory" which is pretty tone deaf
and
B. They can march all they want but really, if they were supportive you would see it in their policy and the way they vote on particular bills. They don't have a stellar record.

That's why the Pride parade is mostly meaningless. You get a bunch of two-faced political pandering.