[Trade] Oilers trade Taylor Hall to NJ for Adam Larsson. 1 For 1.

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

You can't even count the Giordano's on the Oilers now.

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Is Larsson even better than Hamilton? our #3?

Originally Posted by dammage79

He's around Jokipakka range.

So just look at all the Taylor Halls we have!!! At least half a dozen!

Andersson
Kylington
Hickey
Nakladal
Jokipakka
Wotherspoon
Morrison
Culkin
Kulak

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTitan

So just look at all the Taylor Halls we have!!! At least half a dozen!

Andersson
Kylington
Hickey
Nakladal
Jokipakka
Wotherspoon
Morrison
Culkin
Kulak

Please tell me damage didn't mean Larsson is jokipakka-range!! Good grief.

To be clear, exactly NONE of the D listed here project to be anywhere near Larsson...what's wrong with many in here...anything involving the Oilers turns many in here to make foolish assessments.

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I have been saying that the Oilers need to make a bad trade in an effort to balance out their team and get better. Didn't think they would actually do it.

This is a bad trade. Any way you slice it, it was poor value for Edmonton.

With that being said, Taylor Hall is also a 'problem' for Edmonton - we as Calgary fans have seen it for a long time. I would expect they trade away Eberle soon as well, as I think he was a worse player than Hall, and just as much a problem for Edmonton.

I like Larsson. I would hope that the Flames acquired him. I think he would be exceptionally strong next to Hamilton this year, and he absolutely has top pairing potential. Yes, Larsson was playing top pairing in NJ, but NJ sucks. It was admirable that he was keeping his head above water - really shows there is upside to him - but a top-pairing defencemen TODAY he is not. I don't care what HERO charts tell you - he is not any more of a top-pairing guy today than Justin Shultz is, or even just as laughably - Davidson is for the Oilers (seriously, Davidson is bottom-pairing guy, and nothing more).

I think this is a good proverbial win for both teams in the long run - Oilers would NOT get better as long as Hall was in the picture. He needed to be removed out of the equation. Getting a bag of peanuts would have been a win. Adding Larsson - a guy who is a decent defencemen at his age is a huge bonus.

New Jersey wins big time. They will absorb Hall's 'issues' well,and I bet Hall becomes a better player in time.

Looking at straight-up value - it was downright embarrassing for the Oilers. However, they just needed to do it. Any way you slice it, Hall was an issue that would always block Edmonton from taking a step forward. This was also a huge shot across the bow for the rest of the Oilers' forwards. Losing will not be tolerated, and if you are perceived as being part of the problem, you will be traded away.

If I was Draisaitl, Puljujarvi and especially McDavid... I would immediately make myself a cancer to the team to get my butt out of there as fast as possible!

Edit: Forgot to add: Though I think Larsson has a really good ceiling - a definite #1 - he has only barely been holding his head above water for a very short time in NJ on the top pair. If the Oilers don't find a partner for him - an experienced #1 guy - I think Larsson will regress, and this trade will look sillier every year. I don't think the Oilers will find that player, and thus I agree with the sentiment that Adam Larsson is the biggest loser in all of this. Not only does he have to play in Edmonton, but he is almost assuredly going to see his career tank.

I.....I can't believe I'm agreeing with you

still...terrible trade

[SuperMatt18]

The one thing I do find interesting here is that this likely just means the Oilers lose another d-man they are happy with in the expansion draft.

Sekera (NMC) , Klefbom, Larsson

Those are the 3 d-men they have to protect - but now if Davidson whom they are fond of does take another step next season they are likely to lose him. They have too many forwards on that team to protect 4 d-men IMO.

So while the friendly Oilers media was saying it will be Lucic + Larsson for Hall, it could really end up being for Hall + Davidson.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The last 3 years at 5 on 5....

Hall on the ice 147 GF 146 GA
Hall not on the ice 244 GF 396 GA

That is from kinger999 on Twitter

Hall is a good player who got molded to embrace losing for over half a decade without any strong leadership on the team for his whole tenure, and had to live with 2 years of Eakins and his swarm defence. He was never taught the NHL game properly. Yet he is still a + player despite 6 years of Oilering.

We all know the issues, but he was often the hardest working Oiler by far. I've seen far worse lazy play by Eberle. Most of the problems with the Oilers were always that they had no defense whatsoever.

Devils are rebuilding, but they always may surprise. They have a very structured system, and one that Hall may turn out to thrive in.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by FlamingLonghorn

Let's make a wager on 30 pts or better than for this season. $50 to Calpuck for the loser?

Intriguing, but I will never bet on anything that pertains to the Oilers in any way shape or form. Rules to live by.

[Vinny01]

Davidson is a bum no better than a bottom pairing Dman. It will be interesting to see if the Oilers make a move for another D like Dumba what they will do? They have to protect Sekera and likey will protect Larrson and Klefbom. Perhaps all they can do now is trade for a guy like Wideman or hope they can sign Demers without handing out a NMC

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Not even close. I know the popular thing around here is to bash Edmonton, but Oilers made out with a valuable piece. 6'3" right handed defensemen logging the hardest minutes in NJ at 23 years old is a solid asset. Here's Adam Larsson:

- Logs 2nd most minutes of his team
- Starts in the offensive zone 30% of the time
- Leads his team in hits
- Leads his team in blocked shots
- 2nd most minutes on the PK
- Plays the toughest competition
- Received only 13 minutes of PP time the entire year!

The guy is a big shut down defensemen who has been trusted to hunker down New Jersey's stingy system. So 20 points isn't bad. You give this guy an open system and some powerplay time and watch him double his point totals. He'll never be a 50 pt defensemen, but he'll be a mean and hard defensemen to play against, and that's what the Oilers' needed.

Make no mistake, the Oilers got better today.

I get that he is probably a good defensive defender, however, as soon as you start throwing around statistics like hits, blocked shots etc. you are not talking about a top pairing D man so that's the bottom line IMHO. I would also wager that most true top pairing defencemen would not be limited to 30% offensive zone starts because they are too valuable to not be on the ice more than that. Lastly, there is a reason this guy is only getting 13 min of PP time all year and it's most likely because he can't hack it. Do you think the Devils were just unwilling to give him a shot? Not likely.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Davidson is a bum no better than a bottom pairing Dman. It will be interesting to see if the Oilers make a move for another D like Dumba what they will do? They have to protect Sekera and likey will protect Larrson and Klefbom. Perhaps all they can do now is trade for a guy like Wideman or hope they can sign Demers without handing out a NMC

His advanced numbers were actually decent and ended up as the only d-man on the team with a positive plus/minus.

Probably not going to be a star but a guy that probably has potential to be a good #5 who can play in your top 4 when needed.

The other concern that I would have if I was an Oilers fan is that Larsson's stats playing with Greene this season, are not much better (and in some cases worse) than Fayne's when he was Greene's primary partner in New Jersey.

Greene-Larsson have an even more noticeable defensive zone split than when Fayne was on that pairing but even in the past Greene-Fayne played heavy defensive minutes.

Fayne: 28% Offensive Zone Starts
Larsson: 21% Offensive Zone Starts

Fayne: 40.63 Corsi Against Per 60
Larsson: 49.02 Corsi Against Per 60

Fayne: 50.24 Corsi For Per 60
Larsson: 39.44 Corsi For Per 60

Fayne: 55.29 Corsi For %
Larsson: 44.59 Corsi For %

Fayne: 1.66 Expected Goals Against Per 60
Larsson: 2.06 Expected Goals Against Per 60

Fayne: 2.24 Expected Goals For Per 60
Larsson: 1.96 Expected Goals For Per 60

Fayne: 57.38 Expected Goals For %
Larsson: 48.79 Expected Goals For %

Fayne: 0.15 PPG
Larsson: 0.22 PPG

Fayne: 15.6 TOI 5V5
Larsson: 17.4 TOI 5V5

Larsson (23) is a couple years younger than Fayne (26) was at the time, and IMO has a much higher upside but the Oilers better hope that he hasn't benefited from playing with Greene and in front of Schneider much like Fayne did prior to the Oilers giving him a big UFA contract.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Please tell me damage didn't mean Larsson is jokipakka-range!! Good grief.

To be clear, exactly NONE of the D listed here project to be anywhere near Larsson...what's wrong with many in here...anything involving the Oilers turns many in here to make foolish assessments.

No kidding. Larsson is 23 years old and was drafted 4th overall a few years ago. People are acting as though the Oilers traded Hall for Ian Cole.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

No kidding. Larsson is 23 years old and was drafted 4th overall a few years ago. People are acting as though the Oilers traded Hall for Ian Cole.

If you take away that draft position, there is no way this trade gets made. That's the thing - he's overrated because he was picked 4th overall. If he was a 4th round pick with the exact same career, the Oilers wouldn't even consider this trade.

[steveo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Intriguing, but I will never bet on anything that pertains to the Oilers in any way shape or form. Rules to live by.

Pfft free money quite often. Bet some of my oiler friends for a few years double or nothing everytime on them making play offs, walked away with a good chunk of change. They wised up and stopped betting after a few years haha

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by steveo

Pfft free money quite often. Bet some of my oiler friends for a few years double or nothing everytime on them making play offs, walked away with a good chunk of change. They wised up and stopped betting after a few years haha

Let's see, bet 20 bucks, 10 years of playoff futility at double or nothing, good thing they quit or it would be a cool 10 grand right now.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Please tell me damage didn't mean Larsson is jokipakka-range!! Good grief.

He isn't that far off in that assessment.

To be clear, exactly NONE of the D listed here project to be anywhere near Larsson...what's wrong with many in here...anything involving the Oilers turns many in here to make foolish assessments.

You need to stop buying the hype on Larsson. This kid was drafted to be a #1 defenseman with some offensive flair. He was thought of as the next Nicklas Lidstrom when he was picked. He hasn't lived up to any of that billing, in any shape or form. The Devils were considering Colborne-ing him up to last year, that's how disappointed they were in his development. He's been horrible offensively, one of the reasons he was drafted so highly. He's been solid in his own zone, but far from the number one he was supposed to be. He's a complimentary piece to a more skilled playing partner. He's more number 3 or 4 than anything, and that is before getting Oiler stink all over him. Larsson was a middling defender on the Devils and he will remain the same on the sad sack Oilers.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

I.....I can't believe I'm agreeing with you

still...terrible trade

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

No kidding. Larsson is 23 years old and was drafted 4th overall a few years ago. People are acting as though the Oilers traded Hall for Ian Cole.

Players worth more than Larsson taken after him in that draft:

Zibanejad
Scheifele
Couturier
D.Hamilton
J.Gibson
Saad
Kucherov
Some guy named Gaudreau
Palat

Arguably the same or better:

Brodin
Rieder
Shaw


It was FIVE years ago. FIVE YEARS. Draft status is completely irrelevant at this point. Players have either made it or they haven't, and plenty of players drafted high haven't done anything while plenty of players drafted low have done a lot.

EDIT: Got my Rattie Seimen confused.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Please tell me damage didn't mean Larsson is jokipakka-range!! Good grief.

To be clear, exactly NONE of the D listed here project to be anywhere near Larsson...what's wrong with many in here...anything involving the Oilers turns many in here to make foolish assessments.

A foolish assessment would be claiming that Larsson is a top pairing player at this point and time. Maybe he get's there during this contract, but it's highly unlikely with his limited NHL skill set. He might be a top pairing guy on the Oilers but that's like calling RNH a first line center.

[bax]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Players worth more than Larsson taken after him in that draft:

Zibanejad
Scheifele
Couturier
D.Hamilton
Rattie
J.Gibson
Saad
Kucherov
Some guy named Gaudreau
Palat

Arguably the same or better:

Seimens
Brodin
Rieder
Shaw


It was FIVE years ago. FIVE YEARS. Draft status is completely irrelevant at this point. Players have either made it or they haven't, and plenty of players drafted high haven't done anything while plenty of players drafted low have done a lot.

This is a joke right? Like seriously? You can hate the oilers all you want, but don't let your bias stop you from making sound judgment. Larsson is a young, decent NHL defenseman.

His value is certainly higher than players like Siemens (1 NHL game) and Rattie (26 NHL
Games). These guys are in bust category and haven't proved anything close to the level of Larsson.

Your list is terrible.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bax

Your list is terrible.

Haha actually I don't know why I have Seimens on there, I flubbed.

But Rattie I'm absolutely sticking with. Larsson is a young 3/4 with some upside but zero offence.

Do you plan to argue with any of the guys I said were better? Or just "NOPE! 4TH overall is important! Yay Oilers!"

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The one thing I do find interesting here is that this likely just means the Oilers lose another d-man they are happy with in the expansion draft.

Sekera (NMC) , Klefbom, Larsson

Those are the 3 d-men they have to protect - but now if Davidson whom they are fond of does take another step next season they are likely to lose him. They have too many forwards on that team to protect 4 d-men IMO.

So while the friendly Oilers media was saying it will be Lucic + Larsson for Hall, it could really end up being for Hall + Davidson.

I don't understand the comments around how it will be Lucic + Larsson for Hall comes from up North. Even if they land Lucic, doesn't change the fact they undersold Hall in this trade.