[Trade] Oilers trade Taylor Hall to NJ for Adam Larsson. 1 For 1.

[robaur]

Take my list of LW that I posted and I would remove Sharp but if you look at the rest of the players "complete game" vs that of Taylor Hall......I think a majority would agree that they would take all those players over Hall every day of the week.

It just means that Hall provides scoring and very little else and today's NHL is a game where the truly elite players in their positions are the ones who have "complete" games. 200 foot players more or less.

Heck here's my list minus Sharp and Hoffman:

Jamie Benn
Alexander Ovechkin
Johnny Gaudreau
Artemi Panarin
Max Pacioretty
Filip Forsberg
Jonathan Huberdeau
Brad Marchand
Zach Parise
Gabriel Landeskog
Alexander Steen
Ondrej Palat

Tell me which player realistically would you pick Hall over to play real hockey to try and win a Stanley Cup (not fantasy value) ?

[GreenLantern2814]

CP has been saying for months (correctly) that Edmonton will need to lose a trade before they can get better. Well, here it is.

Adam Larsson isn't worth Taylor Hall. But losing Hall is addition by subtraction. In his conference call, Hallsy expressed dismay because he felt he was a good soldier who did everything he could to help the team win.

If that were true, he would have tried to learn to play defense. He doesn't get it and Edmonton first step back to respectability had to involve trading Taylor Hall.

Connor McDavid has not been a loser his entire career. As soon as he was drafted, Hall tweeted 'dont try and ruin everything we've built'. Whether that's a joke or not, a guy wearing a letter on his shoulder should not be thinking that, much less tweeting about it for all the world to see.

A player like McDavid doesn't tolerate that sort of attitude, and I would guess he's the happiest to see Hall go.

[JiriHrdina]

For a guy like Forsberg one can't look at the last three years because he is progressing rapidly as a young player. His most recent season is arguably the best predictor of his next season.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

There's just no way you could objectively justify the last three (Marchand is the closest, but he's still a full tier below - also I'm not certain I'd take him over Pacioretty). The only way you can do it is on the basis of your own intuition, eye test, suggesting that you see things that don't show up in actual on-ice results for the team, and so on. People get so married to bias against the other tribe here that they'll just put a 20% discount on a player's skill just because he's an Oiler.

I don't know if Hall's going to produce more, less or the same with the Devils - the Devils are a pretty bad team right now. But he instantly becomes the top LW in the division not named Ovechkin, and I suspect this "Oiler stink" bias will fade over time and people will figure out that he's actually an elite forward in this league.

Marchand is a full tier above Hall, not below.

[savemedrzaius]

This could be a Kessel situation where Hall really shines on a new team.

I don't know much about Larsson but I know their fans were really high on him.

Could be a good trade for both teams.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

This could be a Kessel situation where Hall really shines on a new team.

I don't know much about Larsson but I know their fans were really high on him.

Could be a good trade for both teams.

I think Hall solidifies himself as a bonfide 1st line player and Larsson's career goes down the drain and he struggles defensively.

Hall will eventually rid himself of quite a bit of Oiler stink and Larsson will soon be drowning in it.

It's the Oiler way.

[CaptainCrunch]

I would argue that it will be tougher for Larsson in Edmonton, he won't have a partner like Andy Green who defensively is stellar.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Surprised Ladd isn't on your list. His scoring consistency is right up there with the very best LW's in the last 4-5 seasons

I actually did mean to include him. Then I'd say there's another teir just below that has guys like Parise, Huberdeau, Marleau, Sharp, Daniel Sedin, Zetterberg and maybe even Saad

[Stay Golden]

TSN posted this on Instagram regarding Oilers trading Hall lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHQzaI7BrWm/

[killer_carlson]

I think Oiler fans feel today what I felt when the Flames traded Phaneuf. I just sat there for about 2 hours waiting to hear about a third team or what else was coming back from Toronto.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think Oiler fans feel today what I felt when the Flames traded Phaneuf. I just sat there for about 2 hours waiting to hear about a third team or what else was coming back from Toronto.

One of the GMs could have pulled a Benning and thrown in a 2nd at least

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

So now that Hall is no longer an Oiler can we recognize that he's a top 3 LW in the league and an absolute steal at 6M or do we have to wait for a few months?

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Don't even know why I bother... this post is absolutely absurd.

Haha... yeah, if it's one thing you seem to know, it's "absurd".

[dustygoon]

After all this drama, #1 picks, playoff drought, and talk of rebuilds, they trade their 2nd best player and get what?

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think Oiler fans feel today what I felt when the Flames traded Phaneuf. I just sat there for about 2 hours waiting to hear about a third team or what else was coming back from Toronto.

Not even close. I know the popular thing around here is to bash Edmonton, but Oilers made out with a valuable piece. 6'3" right handed defensemen logging the hardest minutes in NJ at 23 years old is a solid asset. Here's Adam Larsson:

- Logs 2nd most minutes of his team
- Starts in the offensive zone 30% of the time
- Leads his team in hits
- Leads his team in blocked shots
- 2nd most minutes on the PK
- Plays the toughest competition
- Received only 13 minutes of PP time the entire year!

The guy is a big shut down defensemen who has been trusted to hunker down New Jersey's stingy system. So 20 points isn't bad. You give this guy an open system and some powerplay time and watch him double his point totals. He'll never be a 50 pt defensemen, but he'll be a mean and hard defensemen to play against, and that's what the Oilers' needed.

Make no mistake, the Oilers got better today.

[bob-loblaw]

Most posters on this site said that the Oilers overvalued their young players and this trade proves it. Eventually they'd have to make a trade like this to get help where they badly need it.

Calgary pulls off a trade for a #1 goalie and that topic has fewer comments over five days than this one about Taylor Hall in five hours. I don't think there's been a trade BT has made that has garnered such negative reaction. If anything Treliving's trades have been fair at least or in the Flames favour, and I don't think a GM can go around pulling the wool over the eyes of other trading partners before they won't want to make a deal with him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Not even close. I know the popular thing around here is to bash Edmonton, but Oilers made out with a valuable piece. 6'3" right handed defensemen logging the hardest minutes in NJ at 23 years old is a solid asset. Here's Adam Larsson:

- Logs 2nd most minutes of his team
- Starts in the offensive zone 30% of the time
- Leads his team in hits
- Leads his team in blocked shots
- 2nd most minutes on the PK
- Plays the toughest competition
- Received only 13 minutes of PP time the entire year!

The guy is a big shut down defensemen who has been trusted to hunker down New Jersey's stingy system. So 20 points isn't bad. You give this guy an open system and some powerplay time and watch him double his point totals. He'll never be a 50 pt defensemen, but he'll be a mean and hard defensemen to play against, and that's what the Oilers' needed.

Make no mistake, the Oilers got better today.

Are you sure you're not talking about Kris Russell?

I agree that the trade actually helps the team, but that's a pretty pedestrian resume.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Make no mistake, the Oilers got better today.

First off, every stat you just posted was bolstered by the fact Larsson played in front of Schnieder.

2nd, he's still a young and developing d-man who is now going to be labeled a "solution" and thrown into the tire fire that is one of the worst defensive teams / systems in the NHL. It remains to be seen how he'll handle that being a 23 year old. It's a ton of pressure to put on a young kid.

3rd, how does the absence of Hall's goals and points automatically make Edmonton "a better team" because of a young #3 d-man being added to the worst blue-line in the league?

Gross overstatements on your part all the way around.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

The simple fact that they got the type of player they need to add does not make this a good trade. To me it appears (just like the Phaneuf trade) they did not maximize the return on the asset they moved. Either because the moved on the trade too late and Hall's value has plumitted, or because they undersold on the transaction (what I think happened).

The Oilers fans should be happy at adding Larsson. They should not be happy that it came at the expense of losing Hall straight up. I'm sure many wanted this type of move, but they expected Hall to be one of the pieces still remaining up front to provide offence. Or at the very least if figured moving out a Hall would have netted a bigger D prize, like the two that were swapped for each other today.

Moving assets like Hall for even good players of Larssons level does not help defend their BPA drafting strategy the past quarter century or whatever it's been, if they aren't going to land better than Larsson with their first overall picks. Needs to be more.

[dino7c]

Fans and MEDIA still think the Oilers have some high powered offence...guys they were 26th in goals for! and just traded their leading scorer for a shut down guy

sure they needed a d-man but the spin...oh the spin

[takinghits]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

First off, every stat you just posted was bolstered by the fact Larsson played in front of Schnieder.

Gross overstatements on your part all the way around.

"- Logs 2nd most minutes of his team
- Starts in the offensive zone 30% of the time
- Leads his team in hits
- Leads his team in blocked shots
- 2nd most minutes on the PK
- Plays the toughest competition
- Received only 13 minutes of PP time the entire year!"

These stats are bolstered by Schneider??