Brexit- Update: Britain has voted to leave the EU

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by chemgear

"Thanks Obama".

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2...ama-brexit.cnn

I'm confused....Didn't Trump say he was happy for the UK..."taking back their country"? That dude has more sides than a D&D die.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The nations of Canada and the U.S. were set up on the premise of immigration. There were people here before that, but they weren't nations.

Right, but you responded with that to this:

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

It's weird how Brits pine for the days when they were the global invaders. I guess it sucks when a bunch of people who you feel don't belong suddenly show up. The irony.

How the nations were setup post-colonization doesn't really detract from what burn_this_city is saying about the hypocrisy of the English. Also, it was a joke. Lighten up.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Why the eff would Europe take back a whinging moaning bunch of idiots that have spent the last fifty years pissing and moaning about how bad the EU is?

Are you being thick or are you just ignorant?

Every Country in the EU heavily wanted the UK to remain in the EU. They'll welcome the British back with open arms. They are the ones flocking to the UK in the first place which is what created this whole dilemma.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I'm confused....Didn't Trump say he was happy for the UK..."taking back their country"? That dude has more sides than a D&D die.

Possibly someone has pointed out to him that Scotland will leave the union in a year or so and be permanently run by a hard left wing high tax government that will likely take his golf course away from him.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

That Twat picture has to be photoshopped lol. Or if not, that cameraman deserves a medal.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7295/1...c7fb4c3f_b.jpg

[peter12]

Man, the Remain booster still don't understand what they did to cause this sudden shift. They really don't. The allusions to fascism and Hitler are hilarious.

[Buzzard]

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Are you being thick or are you just ignorant?

Every Country in the EU heavily wanted the UK to remain in the EU. They'll welcome the British back with open arms. They are the ones flocking to the UK in the first place which is what created this whole dilemma.

Germany and France wanted to avoid the utter chaos of today, that's all, the UK has never ever joined the EU fully has always kept its foot out of the door, France has never really wanted the UK in either frankly, if, as is likely, the UK implodes and tries to get back in I doubt the EU would want to risk going through this chaos again in the future.
Like a divorce, once you've sold the house, divided the furniture and paid the lawyers if your now ex wife changes her mind no one in their right mind takes the idiot back.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Germany and France wanted to avoid the utter chaos of today, that's all, the UK has never ever joined the EU fully has always kept its foot out of the door, France has never really wanted the UK in either frankly, if, as is likely, the UK implodes and tries to get back in I doubt the EU would want to risk going through this chaos again in the future.

Thinking that the UK can just waltz in and out of the EU as it pleases is just such a classic English mentality.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by peter12

Man, the Remain booster still don't understand what they did to cause this sudden shift. They really don't. The allusions to fascism and Hitler are hilarious.

'Shut up loser racists' isn't an inspiring call to unity? Surely if they're called bigots loudly enough and for long enough they'll recognize the errors of their ways and join hands with the rest of the country to move forward into broad, sunlit uplands.

[Otto-matic]

Immiggants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

'Shut up loser racists' isn't an inspiring call to unity? Surely if they're called bigots loudly enough and for long enough they'll recognize the errors of their ways and join hands with the rest of the country to move forward into broad, sunlit uplands.

This really isn't the thread for this, but aren't you (like me) one of the people who thinks we should call a spade a spade when it comes to Islam? Why then should we be coddling bigots?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This really isn't the thread for this, but aren't you (like me) one of the people who thinks we should call a spade a spade when it comes to Islam? Why then should we be coddling bigots?

Let's look at the subset of people who voted to leave solely, or almost entirely, on the basis of immigration issues.

1. Some of them are actual bigots who are motivated by actual bigotry.
2. Some of them are bigots, but in addition to bigotry, have some valid concerns about immigration that should at least be acknowledged and discussed.
3. Many of them are not bigots, and have some valid concerns, and are justifiably getting pretty sick of being dismissed as bigots, along with their concerns.

People seem to be unable or unwilling to tell the difference between these three groups and just treat them all as essentially the same thing. Frankly I think a lot of it is laziness; e.g. "we're opposed to them, if we just dismiss them as racist we don't have to engage with any part of anything any of them have to say, so let's just pretend it's all racism, overt or disguised, and move right along."

Maybe it's optimistic of me, but I think if everyone actually conceded that some of these alleged problems in fact might be real problems that need addressing, but that "there's a better solution to the problem you're worried about available to us rather than quitting the EU and tanking the economy, and here's that solution", a bunch of those in the third category (and maybe even some in the second) could have been persuaded to vote Remain.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Let's look at the subset of people who voted to leave solely, or almost entirely, on the basis of immigration issues.

1. Some of them are actual bigots who are motivated by actual bigotry.
2. Some of them are bigots, but in addition to bigotry, have some valid concerns about immigration that should at least be acknowledged and discussed.
3. Many of them are not bigots, and have some valid concerns, and are justifiably getting pretty sick of being dismissed as bigots, along with their concerns.

Right, but can we at least call the bigots "bigots," and not dismiss them as some fringe factor? It's equally as disingenuous as saying Islam as a religion plays no role in Islamic extremism.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Are you being thick or are you just ignorant?

Every Country in the EU heavily wanted the UK to remain in the EU. They'll welcome the British back with open arms. They are the ones flocking to the UK in the first place which is what created this whole dilemma.

The UK leaving the Euro doesn't sound like something you turn on a dime about to me. It's going to take years diplomacy and negotiations; likely painful I'd imagine. Not something you do willy nilly every other year to go back and forth. Nevermind like I said earlier, there (likely) may not be a Euro to return to even if they wanted.

It's not your last option to call at the end of the night when you can't find someone to hook up with after a wild out at the clubs.

As for your bolded sentence, I'm not sure I understand. What countries are flocking to the UK in the first place? Are you talking migrants, immigrants, other EU citizens?

[jammies]

I've been surprised over the decades that the EU has lasted at all, especially with it including Britain - the EU is dominated by France and Germany, the former their natural enemy and rival for centuries, and the latter their enemy in the two most devastating wars they ever fought. Britain has never seen itself as European in the same sense as continental nations perceive themselves, as always, geography has a profound effect and the physical separation of the islands mirrors a cultural separation.

There is a definite form of xenophobia, exacerbated by this sense of being an isolated island, that is British (exemplified by the quaintly horrid expression "the wogs start at Calais") and that was exploited by the Leave side, but there is also the legitimate concern that Britain subsumed into Europe won't be Britain at all.

Is a patriot necessarily a racist? I think not, even though, being a typical Canadian, tepid patriotism is all I can muster or accept as rational in others. Still, though, my patriotism is seriously bound up in NOT being an American, so is it fair for me to criticize people whose identity is bound up in not being European?

PS: Let me add I love Americans and America, I just am not and wouldn't want to be one.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

Holey moley someone posted a Ben Garrison cartoon in earnest. Enjoy supporting a holocaust denier i guess.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Right, but can we at least call the bigots "bigots," and not dismiss them as some fringe factor? It's equally as disingenuous as saying Islam as a religion plays no role in Islamic extremism.

Sure, but this is part of the problem. I have no idea how fringe or mainstream they are, because a bunch of non-bigots are inevtiably lumped in with them. I seriously have no idea what proportion of the 52% of voters are truly bigots. Is it half? A third? A tenth? No idea.

But I'm just talking about tactics at the moment - if you wanted to win, here, addressing the legitimate immigration-related concerns, rather than pretending that all such concerns are simply the product of bigotry and xenophobia, would probably have brought that 52% number down somewhat. Again, maybe I'm being optimistic about that, but that's my wager.

[FlameOn]

Meanwhile in the UK

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Whoa, whoa! We're going to have to do something about our immigration standards to deal with that influx. But I'm stumped... what do we "Canexit"? The Commonwealth?