CalgaryNEXT Discussion pt. 2

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Strawman since that's a congestion problem in general that needs to be fixed by the city. Doesn't change the fact that the foothills athletic park is in the inner city and easily accessible from any part of the city.

You may disagree that it's an issue but that's not a straw man argument - he's not pretending someone said something which he the refutes.

Foothills isn't actually that convenient from either the south (not close to Deerfoot and Crowchild is a mess between 17th ave SW and the University) or the East (16th is terrible).

[Frequitude]

Put me in the camp that loves the railtown lands.
-Double C-Train access (existing south leg and the new Green line)
-Near existing parking on the grounds
-Potential synergies with the Stampede's desired Stampede Trail development
-Relatively near three existing entertainment districts (17th, 10th, 8th)
-Opportunity to beef up the pedestrian railroad crossing infrastructure to help drive some traffic towards the West Village and spur commercial activity there.

[Robbob]

Couple points on CalgaryNext that came up from the STH meeting:

-in regards to parking, they plan to the 2500 as it has been noted. On the grounds currently they have 2000-4000 depending if there are any events.
-they are working with CalgaryTransit to develop a system of multiple shuttle buses to take people to the 40k parking stalls downtown (am I am guessing the red line)
-they mentioned that CalgaryNext would have a 15% footprint in the west village and that remediation can be done as the development starts. Doesn't have to be the entire area at once and can be done incrementally as things develop (referenced some place in Vancouver doing the dame thing over the last 20 years).
-Sounds like best case scenario is one to 2 years permits and such and 3 years to build.
-They referenced dumb and dumber with there being a chance. Thought it was better than one in a million but the general impression I got is that it is a long shot.
-They are meeting in council with the city on the 27th to respond to the cities report (I think it was 10am). Said the city isn't really talking apples to apples with CalgaryNext and plan B.
-changes ticket tax to user fee for optics
-In regards to the CRL mentioned the standard CalgaryNext spurring growth in the west village so it would create tax revenue but additionally tax revenue could be generated on the land the football stadium sits now.

That is all I can think of off the top of my head. Nothing really new or earth shattering.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Flames boss Ken King has two words for Calgary — “second place.” That’s where we’ll be, he says, without new sports and entertainment facilities.

In an interview, King said that when Edmonton’s new arena opens this fall, “you should check the exit visas from Calgary going to Edmonton, because that’s where Calgarians are going to go to watch a number of events — whether it’s the world cup, world juniors, international events, or anything else.”

“We are about to witness something none of us ever thought we’d see — second place,” adds the CEO of Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corp.

In a response to that, one city hall player says he expects the owners will soon start hinting they’ll move the team.

But there’s some bad blood at city hall toward the owners, whose style is seen as too corporate and secretive.

At this point I’d give virtually no chance of success to the West Village plan for CalgaryNEXT, which is supposed to include the rink, a field house and full-blown indoor football stadium.

One reason is the cost. City estimates are hundreds of millions higher than those of the owners.

But the major barrier, paradoxically, is the East Village.

Councillors aren’t about to shift focus and money to the west end. Not after pouring in hundreds of millions to develop the East Village land, build the 4th St S.E. underpass, turn St. Patrick’s Island into a stunning park, enable the National Music Centre, plan a library, upgrade the Stampede, and much more.

The bottom line appears to be this: Calgary Sports and Entertainment is welcome to pitch for a new arena on the Stampede grounds, as long as the cost is reasonable, and the owners don’t expect any leverage from an Olympic bid.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politi...ntee-new-arena

[Frequitude]

Councillors aren’t about to shift focus and money to the west end. Not after pouring in hundreds of millions to develop the East Village land, build the 4th St S.E. underpass, turn St. Patrick’s Island into a stunning park, enable the National Music Centre, plan a library, upgrade the Stampede, and much more.

The bottom line appears to be this: Calgary Sports and Entertainment is welcome to pitch for a new arena on the Stampede grounds, as long as the cost is reasonable, and the owners don’t expect any leverage from an Olympic bid.

Good. That's why the City runs the city and the Flames run the Flames. The owners should stop getting that confused. This sounds like superior city planning to me.

And as for "second place", LOL. You must be getting desperate, Ken. Out of ideas. News flash, we didn't give a hoot when Bettman tried the same thing half a year ago.

[Table 5]

Oh Ken.

Is that seriously still his best argument?

[EldrickOnIce]

I think it's pretty simple. New rink out by Crossiron, or farther. In neighbouring municipality. Should knock 200M off cost, so every everyone is happy.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I think it's pretty simple. New rink out by Crossiron, or farther. In neighbouring municipality. Should knock 200M off cost, so every everyone is happy.

There's no way this thing gets built away from C train access.

[Coach]

Lol. But but, THEY got a new one, how come we can't have one!

God.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politi...ntee-new-arena

Nice opinion piece.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by habernac

There's no way this thing gets built away from C train access.

How critical is this to the Flames?
Would be loads of parking out there.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I think it's pretty simple. New rink out by Crossiron, or farther. In neighbouring municipality. Should knock 200M off cost, so every everyone is happy.

No kidding, it won't cost the city a penny. Rocky Mountain County can pay for that.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nice opinion piece.

Ken King making an ass of himself again wasn't part of the opinion piece. They were his words verbatim.

[Addick]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I think it's pretty simple. New rink out by Crossiron, or farther. In neighbouring municipality. Should knock 200M off cost, so every everyone is happy.

Thankfully the updates to the MGA will require sharing of infrastructure burdens so Rocky View County can help pay for transport system impact mitigation (i.e. CTrain extension).

[Funkhouser]

Wait, we need exit visas to leave the City??


...good one KK
I'm sure there will be line ups around the block for Calgarians to head north to dumpsville and see Bieber's world tour

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politi...ntee-new-arena

“That would be the first time in the history of the NHL that hockey owners threaten to pull out of a city because the city refuses to build them a football stadium.”

This is a great quote

[nik-]

It's sad really. Weak play to emotion.

If the Flames want this to go better they need to replace King as any sort of public face on this. He's embarrassing them as an organization.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's sad really. Weak play to emotion.

If the Flames want this to go better they need to replace King as any sort of public face on this. He's embarrassing them as an organization.

The really unfortunate thing here is King serves at the pleasure of the ownership committee.

What we see in King is how the ownership groups wants to portray itself.

This is what the ownership group of the Flames looks like and it's not flattering, regardless of how many ball stadiums in Balzac they build.

[Benched]

2nd place. --wow. just wow. worst argument ever.


I also REALLY like the opinion piece. 'welcome to build a new arena in the stampede park area' but basically 'you are not getting a free football stadium'

[GGG]

I think the owners know West Village would never go. They want to concede and give the city and the citizens a win by building the reasonable stadium where it should go near the Stampede grounds.

Its the only explanation for how poor this has been handled.