That's a great ad. But Trump could counter with something like this one, that Nixon used in '68 to show the Democrats as the party of chaos and disintegration.
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I dislike Clinton, but she won't be a massive disaster. She'll just be exactly the same as every other beholden to money career politician.
Nothing positive will come from her presidency, but most likely nothing disastrous will either.
Taken in isolation of her flip flopping policy, maybe, but I would disagree with her presidency not being a disaster. Lets take the hypothetical here and assume she scrapes by a win against Trump while escaping an indictment. She is already seen as massively dishonest by a majority of the voting public and on top of that will have had her name dragged through the mud with constant attacks on her record by the GOP. The first half and likely the whole term of her presidency will be mired in scandal and investigations, inquiries and possible impeachment talks. There is no way a GOP majority will let her get anything done.
She doesn't have anywhere near the charisma of her husband, and is much more smug to the opposition, so she'll make a lot more self-inflicted mistakes and piss off more detractors (GOP and elements of her own party) than she already has. She hasn't been seen as any kind of consensus builder at all and her arrogance will piss off the GOP base more. If even the slightest dirt is found on Clinton, the GOP will move to impeach her pushing yet another scandal.
If this campaign has been any indication, the midterm elections will likely be a disaster for Clinton and the Democrats will suffer greatly for it, probably with a majority GOP win in both the senate and congress. She'll probably get destroyed in the 2020 general if not at the miderms. GOP establishment will have had time and opportunity to clean up a lot of their leadership after their pathetic campaign that put up Trump as a the candidate. With a likely GOP president, senate and congress in power by then the Republicans will get free rein passing legislation that will take the next few decades of Democratic challenges to fix and unwind. A Clinton win may not be a disaster now, but given how badly she is performing against a nobody like Sanders, how she's lied under inquest and how badly she has messed up on her campaign to date, I'd see her presidency as a setup for years of GOP political domination.
She is already seen as massively dishonest by a majority of the voting public
I like when people point this out, yet Trump is by far the most massively dishonest person to ever run.
He'll take any side on any issue, and flat out lies. He doesn't even hide the fact that he is making it up, or just plain old lying. Most of us grow out of that shortly after childhood.
On top of that he is a conspiracy theory lover.
I mean, come on, the voting public sees her as massively dishonest and Trump is ok? wtf?
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I like when people point this out, yet Trump is by far the most massively dishonest person to ever run.
He'll take any side on any issue, and flat out lies. He doesn't even hide the fact that he is making it up, or just plain old lying. Most of us grow out of that shortly after childhood.
On top of that he is a conspiracy theory lover.
I mean, come on, the voting public sees her as massively dishonest and Trump is ok? wtf?
It's not zero sum, both can be true. It's just that Trump being dishonest is lower on the list of his bad qualities.
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I like when people point this out, yet Trump is by far the most massively dishonest person to ever run.
He'll take any side on any issue, and flat out lies. He doesn't even hide the fact that he is making it up, or just plain old lying. Most of us grow out of that shortly after childhood.
On top of that he is a conspiracy theory lover.
I mean, come on, the voting public sees her as massively dishonest and Trump is ok? wtf?
Nobody said that was okay, but one actually has a lot of political baggage where the other doesn't.
In the end, US politics is much like a popularity contest and perception is everything. Which has the worst perception? Hard to say right now but polling says Clinton atm.
Nobody said that was okay, but one actually has a lot of political baggage where the other doesn't.
In the end, US politics is much like a popularity contest and perception is everything. Which has the worst perception? Hard to say right now but polling says Clinton atm.
This is being driven primarily by Bernie supporters refusing to support her right now. Whether these people are still throwing a tantrum in November we shall see, but until Bernie gets gone from this race we simply don't know how his supporters break.
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Naw, it's being driven by Clinton being a horrible campaigner with a record of lacking a solid stance on issues. Add to that the sketchiness of Clinton Foundation money and there are a lot of legit reasons people don't like her.
I still think Bernie has a shot. If Clintons numbers drop even more moving forward and Sanders shows to be a big favorite to beat Trump the Dems/super delegates may have no choice.
Nobody said that was okay, but one actually has a lot of political baggage where the other doesn't.
I still don't get it.
She is perceived as massively dishonest, and yet Trump more or less shoves his dishonesty in peoples faces daily. He's just proving what a huge percentage of the voters are idiots.
Naw, it's being driven by Clinton being a horrible campaigner with a record of lacking a solid stance on issues. Add to that the sketchiness of Clinton Foundation money and there are a lot of legit reasons people don't like her.
But carry on, it's all Sanders.
Trump has had the bump from the coalescing of the republican party vote and Clinton hasn't. It has nothing to do with them as people. And do to repeatable trends in past elections. When Clinton has the nomination and Bernie has endorsed her we will see a Clinton bump in the polls and the FeeltheBurn group fall in line the same way the #nevertrumps had.
Naw, it's being driven by Clinton being a horrible campaigner with a record of lacking a solid stance on issues.
such as which issues?
A couple of weeks ago, Trump said he'd raise and lower taxes on the rich by a lot and by a little. I was thinking that was lacking a solid stance on issues. abortion, etc. same thing.
I just don't think she holds enough strong viewpoints or beliefs to ever commit to something that could end up as a disaster.
Her disaster will not come from her viewpoints so much as GOP intransigence and consequences of her prior political baggage/scandal. Just look at scandals she's already been in over her political career. Benghazi/email scandal/Clinton foundation money/Norman Hsu scandal/$27 million wall street speaking fees/Presidential pardon for cash to Hillary senate campaign are among these already. What scandals have not surfaced yet?
With her as president, this is all Congress and the Senate will ever focus on; especially with GOP controlled.
Naw, it's being driven by Clinton being a horrible campaigner with a record of lacking a solid stance on issues. Add to that the sketchiness of Clinton Foundation money and there are a lot of legit reasons people don't like her.
But carry on, it's all Sanders.
Look at the hypothetical matchups between Trump and the Dem candidates in February and look at them now. The only thing that's changed in that time is the #BernieOrBust movement has grown to be a good size of people. Her supporters will support him without question. His supporters will actually consider voting Trump. They're pissed off now because they believe the candidate they love is the victim of a massive campaign against him rather than accepting that he lost the Democratic base by 30%. I expect (hope?) most of them come back to earth, but again until he's out we don't know.
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I still think Bernie has a shot. If Clintons numbers drop even more moving forward and Sanders shows to be a big favorite to beat Trump the Dems/super delegates may have no choice.
But the supers will simply say "Hey look at 1988"....when Dukakis held 10 point leads over Bush in August polls of that year. In the November general election...Bush won by 7 points and absolutely crushed Dukakis in the electoral college. Bernie's shot is winning California by at least 20%, if he can do that maybe he can play the Hail Mary card. But polls mean nothing until at least September and really only after the first debate. Remember it looked like a sleeper dormant election in 2012, then Obama bombed the first debate and Romney pulled ahead in polling (and still lost to perhaps put the final touch on why polling doesn't mean anything right now).
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Clinton loses this election, but lets not pretend this is all "Bernie Bros taking the wind out of her sails". People don't trust her and she's not very well liked, right or wrong. Personally I think that the lack of trust is warranted, but that's pretty warranted with most politicians.
Her "evolutions" on policies are just way too convenient in their timing however. IE: this election cycle
