Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[sun]

Originally Posted by Tw@T

No sir, I present my opinion and could care less about dingbats who get so pissy that they even had to change my username like a child. And please show me where I took a smack down on religion! the thumpers(like you?) never debate me and never will.

Even this tragedy likely never happens with the B.S called religion. remember this? 'The son of God was controlling me'-de Grood, May 16, 2016


I'm not the only one who doesn't want to see someone who slaughtered 5 people ever see freedom, if you can't understand that it's my opinion and my voice on the subject then please use the button provided by this forum called "ignore"

I won't miss your drive by trivial comments.

Trust me, you've been on my ignore list for a while. Maybe since your idiotic comment about Patrick O'Sullivan. One of those many posts where smackdown was laid and you slunk away without acknowledging it. Problem with ignore lists is that they don't block out quoted posts. Makes the drivel rather unavoidable, unfortunately.

The fact that you immediately assume I am a "thumper" proves my point exactly. I'm willing to enter a religious discussion without insulting those with views different than mine. You are incapable of this, so you assume someone who finds "thumper" eye-rollingly pathetic must be a thumper himself.

They never debate you? lol, I wonder why...

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

Ever heard of justice? it's that thing that society built in hopes to curb crime. I don't care if he's a threat or not, he murdered 5 people and ruined the lives of countless more. He should never be allowed freedom.

What you want is the primal response of an "eye for eye" type justice. One where the victims and families are avenged and society no longer has to worry. It lacks compassion and understanding and is only focused on isolation and punishment.

We live in a civilised society that has risen above those outdated views of yours. It serves no purpose to lock away a mentaly ill person for life when we treatment methods that can make them a non threat to society.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by T@T

Ever heard of justice? it's that thing that society built in hopes to curb crime. I don't care if he's a threat or not, he murdered 5 people and ruined the lives of countless more. He should never be allowed freedom.

You don't want justice. You want revenge. This lowest common denominator line of thinking does nothing for anyone you propose to care about in this situation

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by T@T

Ever heard of justice? it's that thing that society built in hopes to curb crime. I don't care if he's a threat or not, he murdered 5 people and ruined the lives of countless more. He should never be allowed freedom.

This is not an example of why justice exists. Justice exists to keep order in society. If you are violent, mean person that is killing people or raping kids, there needs to be justice so that members of society know that if you get caught doing these things then your freedom will be removed.

Matthew De Grood has a mental disorder. His mental disorder is responsible for the killings. This was not a conscious decision he made.

At this point you are the South Park version of Russell Crowe beating up an old guy that has cancer.

[T@T]

OK, Lets do it this way.

Answer a simple question with Yes or No.(please answer honestly and no other comment)

If de Grood is deemed not criminally responsible due to a mental health problems would you support his release in 5 years if the doctors say he's cured?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by T@T

OK, Lets do it this way.

Answer a simple question with Yes or No.(please answer honestly and no other comment)

If de Grood is deemed not criminally responsible due to a mental health problems would you support his release in 5 years if the doctors say he's cured?

Absolutely.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by T@T

OK, Lets do it this way.

Answer a simple question with Yes or No.(please answer honestly and no other comment)

If de Grood is deemed not criminally responsible due to a mental health problems would you support his release in 5 years if the doctors say he's cured?

Well I don't think its something that can be cured per se. Its something that will have to be monitored and controlled for the rest of his life. Under the appropriate rehabilitation system where he is integrated back into society in a controlled manner, I could theoretically get behind it.

I get that would be hard for the family members of the deceased to understand, but if I were them I would do my best to research the mental illness that he has, and try to look past De Grood as a monster and perhaps get involved in supporting the types of mental illness causes that killed their children and try to prevent more from happening in the future.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

OK, Lets do it this way.

Answer a simple question with Yes or No.(please answer honestly and no other comment)

If de Grood is deemed not criminally responsible due to a mental health problems would you support his release in 5 years if the doctors say he's cured?

Absolutely and without any hesitation or fear.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by T@T

OK, Lets do it this way.



Answer a simple question with Yes or No.(please answer honestly and no other comment)



If de Grood is deemed not criminally responsible due to a mental health problems would you support his release in 5 years if the doctors say he's cured?

If he was on forced monthly anti-psychotic injections indefinitely as well as minimum weekly monitoring and ongoing therapy, then yes for sure. In some other cases such as self medicating and daily monitoring, I'd have to think about it but probably not. In most other cases I would say no.

You can say "post yes or no" but it only shows your continued inability and/or willingness to grasp the complexity of the issue being discussed. The world is not black and white my friend but shades of grey. Not to get all preachy but the sooner you learn that, the easier it will be to let go of your entrenched positions and have dialogues that expand everyone's awareness.

[craigwd]

Originally Posted by T@T

OK, Lets do it this way.

Answer a simple question with Yes or No.(please answer honestly and no other comment)

If de Grood is deemed not criminally responsible due to a mental health problems would you support his release in 5 years if the doctors say he's cured?

Yes

[zamler]

The ad hominem attacks from some of you are absolutely pathetic and you should feel bad. You won't but you should.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by heep223

If he was on forced monthly anti-psychotic injections indefinitely as well as minimum weekly monitoring and ongoing therapy, then yes for sure. In some other cases such as self medicating and daily monitoring, I'd have to think about it but probably not. In most other cases I would say no.

You can say "post yes or no" but it only shows your continued inability and/or willingness to grasp the complexity of the issue being discussed. The world is not black and white my friend but shades of grey. Not to get all preachy but the sooner you learn that, the easier it will be to let go of your entrenched positions and have dialogues that expand everyone's awareness.

I guess I give and have to admit I'm the minority in here and yes I do know the "shades of life" as you put it and that's exactly why I try to put myself in the victims family's shoes when deciding if I would be "ok" with his release.

I will end my ranting in this thread saying even know I can't change my mind I'm obviously the wrong one here, but I will somewhat take solace in knowing nobody in Canada has ever been released to the public after slaughtering 5 people.

If they do let him out I sure hope he doesn't turn out like another Canadian... Peter Woodcock.

Cheers my friends

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by T@T

I guess I give and have to admit I'm the minority in here and yes I do know the "shades of life" as you put it and that's exactly why I try to put myself in the victims family's shoes when deciding if I would be "ok" with his release.

I will end my ranting in this thread saying even know I can't change my mind I'm obviously the wrong one here, but I will somewhat take solace in knowing nobody in Canada has ever been released to the public after slaughtering 5 people.

If they do let him out I sure hope he doesn't turn out like another Canadian... Peter Woodcock.

Cheers my friends

I bet he will be released, as our justice system has been trending this way for decades and now has a very high profile successful case which has starting changing the average Canadian's views on dealing with paranoid schizophrenic crimes.

You can even see it in this thread. If you look back years ago on CP more posters were on your side during CP's "posters lining up to post revenge fantasies" period and people like me and a few others were getting piled on for showing any level of empathy in mental health leading to crime discussions. Now it's the opposite.

[peter12]

You guys do know that psychiatric assessments are very qualitative and without a lot of scientific rigor. An intelligent person doesn't have a lot of trouble fooling the tests. Look at Homolka.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by T@T

OK, Lets do it this way.

Answer a simple question with Yes or No.(please answer honestly and no other comment)

If de Grood is deemed not criminally responsible due to a mental health problems would you support his release in 5 years if the doctors say he's cured?

The objective of the 'system' is the protection of society. This individual, regardless the reason, slaughtered 5 people.
So would I, after 5 years, support a closely monitored, custodial, conditional environment transitioning slowly toward potential eventual release (and where details of the long term release plan were clear, transparent and shared publicly)?

Yes

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by T@T

OK, Lets do it this way.

Answer a simple question with Yes or No.(please answer honestly and no other comment)

If de Grood is deemed not criminally responsible due to a mental health problems would you support his release in 5 years if the doctors say he's cured?

Yes.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by peter12

You guys do know that psychiatric assessments are very qualitative and without a lot of scientific rigor. An intelligent person doesn't have a lot of trouble fooling the tests. Look at Homolka.

Did she not plea bargain a manslaughter conviction? I am not sure she fooled any test, but if you can point out a study on this, I would be interested in reading it.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by T@T

OK, Lets do it this way.

Answer a simple question with Yes or No.(please answer honestly and no other comment)

If de Grood is deemed not criminally responsible due to a mental health problems would you support his release in 5 years if the doctors say he's cured?

I would actually be a lot more skeptical than many on here.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by peter12

I would actually be a lot more skeptical than many on here.

As would I.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Did she not plea bargain a manslaughter conviction? I am not sure she fooled any test, but if you can point out a study on this, I would be interested in reading it.

It is my understanding that she was able to hide her psychopathy throughout the assessment process.