05-19-2016, 05:53 PM
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#4061
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
A lot of eyes seem to be on Juolevi recently. This is likely as a result of him being on that dominant London Knights team.
I wonder what his chances of being the first defenceman drafted are
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Seems like he's a favourite in the consensus rankings like Bob Mackenzie and the THN list. That said all you hear is talk that every team sees the defensemen totally differently. Brad Treliving is one of those who talked about that very thing. Guaranteed there's a few teams with Juolevi top 7 but guaranteed there's also teams who have Chychrun top 7. Wouldn't surprise me if Sergachev is top 7 for some teams. It's conceivable that some teams might have Fabbro and Bean top 7. It is reasonable to think across the league that all of those five defensemen may be the highest ranked defenseman on a team's list.
So it becomes impossible to handicap without knowing which teams have fallen in love with which particular defenseman. I wouldn't be putting money on which defenseman goes first, that's probably one of the harder questions to answer in this draft. Flames may be involved in the answer if they stay at #6 and Tkachuk/Dubois are taken 4/5.
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05-19-2016, 07:25 PM
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#4062
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The only drafts I remember as a Flames fan have been 2006, 2014 and 2015, I didn't really care about the draft much, I just liked watching the games.
But in 2006 I was so mad that they didn't take Foligno. He had such a good hockey name.
In 2014, I didn't want Bennett at all. He's since changed my mind.
In 2015, all I wanted was Kylington, we got Dougie instead, oh and then Kylington later. Awesome. Best timeline.
I will be happy with whoever the Flames pick this year, but especially, incredibly so if they manage to get a Finn or Dubois.
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05-19-2016, 10:45 PM
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#4063
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It may be memorial cup run syndrome but I'm getting enamoured by all the Tkachuck hype lately. I wish I had a crystal ball to could see how well he will play without Marner and Dvorak next year. I think he's the real deal though.
Our only hope is one of Edmonton or Vancouver takes a D and doesn't trade down to do so.
It actually all comes down to the Edmonton pick. If they take a D then Van takes Dubois and we get Tkachuk. If Edmonton picks Dubois than Van may still pick a D but If Edmonton takes Tkachuk then Van will take Dubois and we get someone else.
I really need something else to think about right now
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05-20-2016, 02:30 AM
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Something for people who are over-analyzing the draft and playing out all the potential scenarios in their heads like samondreau and I to listen to!
It seems like ive been waiting forever for the fan960 to post just one interview about the flames pick.
Finally.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/ryan-pin...es-6th-overall
Talks about the memorial cup untill about 6mins and 55 seconds in. Then switches to our pick.
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05-20-2016, 08:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samonadreau
It may be memorial cup run syndrome but I'm getting enamoured by all the Tkachuck hype lately. I wish I had a crystal ball to could see how well he will play without Marner and Dvorak next year. I think he's the real deal though.
Our only hope is one of Edmonton or Vancouver takes a D and doesn't trade down to do so.
It actually all comes down to the Edmonton pick. If they take a D then Van takes Dubois and we get Tkachuk. If Edmonton picks Dubois than Van may still pick a D but If Edmonton takes Tkachuk then Van will take Dubois and we get someone else.
I really need something else to think about right now 
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I think there is about no chance we get to draft Tkachuk. Either Edmonton trades down which I think is very likely and the team getting number 4 will take him or if they can't get a deal done they will just take him themselves. I am pretty sure though that Edmonton is going to trade down.
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05-20-2016, 09:16 AM
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#4066
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In the Sin Bin
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Well that means our chance of getting Tkachuk is to trade up with EDM.
I think EDM would take
#6 + #53 + #55 for #4
or
#6 + #35 + #65 for #4
Would Treliving offer that? Would anyone do either of those?
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05-20-2016, 09:20 AM
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There's zero chance Edmonton trades with us to allow us to move up in the draft. Not while Lowe is any part of that organization, he's just way too petty.
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05-20-2016, 09:27 AM
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#4068
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Well that means our chance of getting Tkachuk is to trade up with EDM.
I think EDM would take
#6 + #53 + #55 for #4
or
#6 + #35 + #65 for #4
Would Treliving offer that? Would anyone do either of those?
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I hope he offers either and I hope Chia bites. Tkachuk is the one and only.
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05-20-2016, 09:38 AM
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I'd stay we are and be prepared for Tkachuk and Dubois to be gone and find a player we like that we can take at 6. Don't give up extra assets for a guy you can't even be sure WON'T be available at 6. The Flames have a ledge after 6, which suggest to me that they have group of 3 in the 4-6 range that they equally like. We're staying where we are imo.
I know I'm a broken record, but I just don't see a team offering a decent package to Edmonton for them to move up. What would it cost Montreal for example to trade up from 9 to 4? Too much imo. And why not stay where they are and take the chance that Brown is available if they like a Dubois type player. I mean, a scenario where its Juolevi, Dubois, Tkachuk, Nylander, Chychrun going 4-8, leaving Brown on the board for the Canadiens is perfectly possible.
I just don't see anyone trading up or down. Because as usual, the team with higher pick will want an overpayment and the team with the lower pick won't want to get ripped off. So both will stay put and take their chances.
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05-20-2016, 09:41 AM
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#4070
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In the Sin Bin
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Brock Otten has released his list of OHL draft eligibles. I think he's got a good eye for talent and his player descriptions are very detailed and informative. I highly recommend giving it a read. He was extremely high on Robby Fabbri in his draft year ranking him ahead of Dal Colle and Ritchie.
http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016...r-2016_20.html
Here's a taste:
1. Matthew Tkachuk - Forward - London Knights
"He's by no means the flashiest prospect around. And he's not likely to be the world's flashiest NHL player either. He has some limitations. But, I have confidence that his skill set will translate to the NHL; that it will translate to him being an extremely productive offensive player (think perennial 30/30 guy). Tkachuk plays a very pro style game. His size, his smarts, and his skill allow him to dominate below the hash marks. He's going to be the perfect compliment on an NHL 1st/2nd line, to a pair of quicker, higher skilled guys (thus the recipe for success with Marner and Dvorak). He'll do the dirty work on the line in terms of winning battles in the corners, or fighting in front of the net, but he's also a massively underrated playmaker who seems to have eyes in the back of his head. I don't know how many times I saw him this year draw a couple defenders in near the boards to try to separate him from the puck, only to find Marner or Dvorak cutting to the net, wide open. Tkachuk is also really strong in close, using his size, and his smarts, to get good scoring chances near the blue paint. Is he the world's best skater? No. He's only average in that area and I do think he'll need to become a tad more explosive to be a better player 5 on 5. Is he a true power forward like his father? No, I wouldn't classify him as that. He doesn't really throw his body around, but he will use his size to his advantage offensively. Is he the most dynamic of puck handlers? No. But he produces. Size, smarts, and hands will take you a long way at the NHL level and Tkachuk has that. If I'm picking inside the top 5, I want to make sure I get an impact NHL player and Tkachuk is the guy that I think is the most guaranteed to be that."
2. Alex Nylander - Forward - Mississauga Steelheads
"Nylander is an absolutely dynamic offensive player. Quite frankly, I don't think there is a major weakness in his game in the offensive end. He has the potential to be a 40/40 guy in the NHL, and we know how rare those are. The hands are elite. One of the best puck handlers in the league. He creates so much time and space for himself and he really opens up the ice for his linemates. The shot is elite. He's used on the point of the powerplay in Mississauga because of how heavy his shot is. He's also dangerous off the rush though, as his quick release catches defenders off guard as they try to negate his quickness and creativity. The skating is elite. The playmaking ability and vision are elite. He'll make some passes that really make your jaw drop, and it's another reason why he plays the point on the powerplay. So where are the weaknesses? Everywhere else. I'll give him credit, his ability to play through traffic and his engagement level without the puck really improved over the course of the season. By the end of the year, he had become active along the wall and had begun to use his speed to win loose puck battles too. Where he really struggles is in the defensive end. That part of his game will require a lot of work before he reaches the next level. If you're going to play a high risk game, and take chances with the puck, you have to maintain energy and effort if you give the puck up (which will happen). His overall awareness level in his own end needs to improve too. But there may not be a player in this draft outside of the big three, who possesses as much potential as Nylander. While I've got Tkachuk ranked ahead of him (barely), I wouldn't be surprised if he went first among OHL players"
We are actually almost guaranteed to draft an OHLer unless Dubois falls to us between Tkachuk, Chychrun, Nylander, Sergachev, Brown or Juolevi so this list of Brock's is a very valuable resource for Flames fans looking for detailed info on the guys we should be picking from at #6.
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05-20-2016, 09:43 AM
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#4071
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ1532
I just don't see anyone trading up or down. Because as usual, the team with higher pick will want an overpayment and the team with the lower pick won't want to get ripped off. So both will stay put and take their chances.
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I think that's the case when teams are trying to trade up into a higher tier (like from 5/6 to 2/3). But if scouts sees the players from 4-9 as very close (and reportedly a lot of scouts and teams do) then trading up/down inside that tier is actually very likely IMO.
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05-20-2016, 10:07 AM
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#4072
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icecube
I hope he offers either and I hope Chia bites. Tkachuk is the one and only.
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This isn't directed at you in particular, but it is funny how the desirability of a prospect increases once the liklihoood of acquiring him decreases.
Before the lottery, there were a lot more critics of Tkachuck on this board. People calling him just a complimentary player, lacking in high end skill. I think I was one of those too.
But after the lottery, with the Flames unlikely to get him, I don't see a lot of the critics around anymore. It seems like Tkachuk is now the dream selection but it would take a miracle to get him.
Maybe it's just the critics are silenced cause they don't have to worry about the Flames taking him now. Or it could be the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality or wanting something you can't have thinking.
I know this for sure, whoever the Flames take, there will be a very vocal population on this board who will hate it, and hate on Burke, hate on Treliving. Treliving could land the 1st overall and take Matthews and half the board will hate him for passing on Laine.
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05-20-2016, 11:26 AM
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I can live with the defensive development of Nylander. You can't teach that level of offensive talent. I hope he dons a Flames Jersey draft day. That scouting report further solidified my desire for the Flames to pick him.
I day dreamed of having a comparable line to the Thornton/Hertl/Pavelski line.
I think we could have that with Nylander/Bennett/Jankowski.
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05-20-2016, 11:34 AM
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#4074
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 868904
This isn't directed at you in particular, but it is funny how the desirability of a prospect increases once the liklihoood of acquiring him decreases.
Before the lottery, there were a lot more critics of Tkachuck on this board. People calling him just a complimentary player, lacking in high end skill. I think I was one of those too.
But after the lottery, with the Flames unlikely to get him, I don't see a lot of the critics around anymore. It seems like Tkachuk is now the dream selection but it would take a miracle to get him.
Maybe it's just the critics are silenced cause they don't have to worry about the Flames taking him now. Or it could be the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality or wanting something you can't have thinking.
I know this for sure, whoever the Flames take, there will be a very vocal population on this board who will hate it, and hate on Burke, hate on Treliving. Treliving could land the 1st overall and take Matthews and half the board will hate him for passing on Laine.
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I've always been of the opinion that the pick should be used on one of Nylander, Tkachuk, or Dubois. Initially I was on the Dubois bandwagon but in light of Tkachuk's recent outstanding playoff performance and glowing reviews he's shifted to my personal choice of the three. Ultimately I would be fine with any of the three and I simply hope the Flames stick to the consensus best players (I know they go off their own list but pretty well every scouting bureau has these guys all ranked ahead of the defensemen) and don't use the pick on a defenseman.
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05-20-2016, 11:40 AM
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The more time goes by, the more I'm ok with Nylander as consolation if both Dubois and Thatchuk are gone. I don't really want to overpay just to move up 2 spots. If Oilers are ok with say the 6th and Wotherspoon, or Kulak/Culkin, I'd be ok with it. But that's about as far as I'd go.
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05-20-2016, 11:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Brock Otten has released his list of OHL draft eligibles. I think he's got a good eye for talent and his player descriptions are very detailed and informative. I highly recommend giving it a read. He was extremely high on Robby Fabbri in his draft year ranking him ahead of Dal Colle and Ritchie.
http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016...r-2016_20.html
Here's a taste:
1. Matthew Tkachuk - Forward - London Knights
"He's by no means the flashiest prospect around. And he's not likely to be the world's flashiest NHL player either. He has some limitations. But, I have confidence that his skill set will translate to the NHL; that it will translate to him being an extremely productive offensive player (think perennial 30/30 guy). Tkachuk plays a very pro style game. His size, his smarts, and his skill allow him to dominate below the hash marks. He's going to be the perfect compliment on an NHL 1st/2nd line, to a pair of quicker, higher skilled guys (thus the recipe for success with Marner and Dvorak). He'll do the dirty work on the line in terms of winning battles in the corners, or fighting in front of the net, but he's also a massively underrated playmaker who seems to have eyes in the back of his head. I don't know how many times I saw him this year draw a couple defenders in near the boards to try to separate him from the puck, only to find Marner or Dvorak cutting to the net, wide open. Tkachuk is also really strong in close, using his size, and his smarts, to get good scoring chances near the blue paint. Is he the world's best skater? No. He's only average in that area and I do think he'll need to become a tad more explosive to be a better player 5 on 5. Is he a true power forward like his father? No, I wouldn't classify him as that. He doesn't really throw his body around, but he will use his size to his advantage offensively. Is he the most dynamic of puck handlers? No. But he produces. Size, smarts, and hands will take you a long way at the NHL level and Tkachuk has that. If I'm picking inside the top 5, I want to make sure I get an impact NHL player and Tkachuk is the guy that I think is the most guaranteed to be that."
2. Alex Nylander - Forward - Mississauga Steelheads
"Nylander is an absolutely dynamic offensive player. Quite frankly, I don't think there is a major weakness in his game in the offensive end. He has the potential to be a 40/40 guy in the NHL, and we know how rare those are. The hands are elite. One of the best puck handlers in the league. He creates so much time and space for himself and he really opens up the ice for his linemates. The shot is elite. He's used on the point of the powerplay in Mississauga because of how heavy his shot is. He's also dangerous off the rush though, as his quick release catches defenders off guard as they try to negate his quickness and creativity. The skating is elite. The playmaking ability and vision are elite. He'll make some passes that really make your jaw drop, and it's another reason why he plays the point on the powerplay. So where are the weaknesses? Everywhere else. I'll give him credit, his ability to play through traffic and his engagement level without the puck really improved over the course of the season. By the end of the year, he had become active along the wall and had begun to use his speed to win loose puck battles too. Where he really struggles is in the defensive end. That part of his game will require a lot of work before he reaches the next level. If you're going to play a high risk game, and take chances with the puck, you have to maintain energy and effort if you give the puck up (which will happen). His overall awareness level in his own end needs to improve too. But there may not be a player in this draft outside of the big three, who possesses as much potential as Nylander. While I've got Tkachuk ranked ahead of him (barely), I wouldn't be surprised if he went first among OHL players"
We are actually almost guaranteed to draft an OHLer unless Dubois falls to us between Tkachuk, Chychrun, Nylander, Sergachev, Brown or Juolevi so this list of Brock's is a very valuable resource for Flames fans looking for detailed info on the guys we should be picking from at #6.
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Makes me happy that the Flames will get one of those top 4 most likely (Tkachuk, Chychrun, Brown, Nylander).
All sound like a player the Flames could use.
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05-20-2016, 12:37 PM
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#4077
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Ultimately I would be fine with any of the three and I simply hope the Flames stick to the consensus best players (I know they go off their own list but pretty well every scouting bureau has these guys all ranked ahead of the defensemen) and don't use the pick on a defenseman.
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But there is no consensus after the top 3. The consensus lists like Mackenzie and THN make it seem like there's consensus because they average a variety of opinions to get an averaged list. But the reality is that Nylander is not going to be top 6 for every team.
Will Nylander be the most purely skilled forward left if Tkachuk/Dubois go 4/5? Of that there is no doubt. But will he be the BPA on the Flames list? I think that's very debatable and we've gone over the arguments for/against many times. Here's a quick summary as far as I see it:
Why Nylander could be top 6 for the Flames:
-Most purely skilled forward after Tkachuk/Dubois
-Plays RW and is a right shot, both needs for the Flames
Why Nylander could not be top 6 for the Flames:
-Their organizational philosophy of defensemen>centres>wingers may mean that Nylander drops in relation to the other players he may be seen as tied as one could argue that Nylander is very close to Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev and Brown. So Nylander may drop below some or all of those on the Flames list because he plays the least valuable position in the NHL as a winger
-While he fits a RW need and right shot need he doesn't have the ideal size/strength and doesn't play that gritty, hard nosed style that we really lack. Some people think the Flames lack pure skill but I think we have a lot of pure skill with Gaudreau, Monahan and Bennett and still have some skilled players in the system with Shinkaruk, Mangiapane, Jankowski and Poirier. Some people think the Flames lack that power forward the most and Nylander doesn't play that style.
I can see both arguments and therefore I don't think we can rule Nylander out as a potential pick at #6 for the Flames. But as I'm sure everyone knows I tend to favour the argument that at least 1-2 of the defensemen may be seen as a more valuable prospect in the long run by the Flames.
So yes, Nylander may end up as a 70-80 point finesse winger. But if we turn that down for a guy who has "potential to develop into a dominant two-way defender who could challenge for multiple Norris trophies" in Chychrun, or a 6'6 Mats Sundin in Brown, or a guy who has "potential to be a perennial NHL all star" in Sergachev should we be disappointed? How could we be?
I'm always surprised when I see people disappointed in this draft class when our consolation prize could be one of those above. I wouldn't be disappointed with a 70-80 point finesse winger (Nylander), a 6'2 25 min a night top pairing dman (Chychrun, Sergachev or maybe even Juolevi), or a beastly 6'6 top two line centre (Brown) at #6. Sure Tkachuk/Dubois fit our immediate needs better and would likely be closer to the NHL but its not like there's a huge drop off after #5. I think Ashashx said #6 is the most disappointing position in the draft and New Era seems very Debbie Downer on the upside of the second tier but I see it very differently. I like the players in the 4-10 range a lot. I'd be happy with most of them.
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05-20-2016, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Well that means our chance of getting Tkachuk is to trade up with EDM.
I think EDM would take
#6 + #53 + #55 for #4
or
#6 + #35 + #65 for #4
Would Treliving offer that? Would anyone do either of those?
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I would be disappointed with both those offers.
Just take Jost or Keller at 6 instead. I don't see a huge amount of difference between Tkachuk and those two (they bring different things). Keller is basically another Gaudreau, slightly worse as a prospect, but not by much and Jost is quite a sniper with good hands and is only a little undersized at 5-11. Either of those options is just as good as the slightly bigger Tkachuk would be. There are good players available in the 2nd/3rd round if you're digging through the mediocre guys that it doesn't make sense to ditch the picks for a minor upgrade if at all. .
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05-20-2016, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Brock Otten has released his list of OHL draft eligibles.
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2. Alex Nylander - Forward - Mississauga Steelheads
"Nylander is an absolutely dynamic offensive player. Quite frankly, I don't think there is a major weakness in his game in the offensive end. He has the potential to be a 40/40 guy in the NHL, and we know how rare those are. The hands are elite. One of the best puck handlers in the league. He creates so much time and space for himself and he really opens up the ice for his linemates. The shot is elite. He's used on the point of the powerplay in Mississauga because of how heavy his shot is. He's also dangerous off the rush though, as his quick release catches defenders off guard as they try to negate his quickness and creativity. The skating is elite. The playmaking ability and vision are elite. He'll make some passes that really make your jaw drop, and it's another reason why he plays the point on the powerplay. So where are the weaknesses? Everywhere else. I'll give him credit, his ability to play through traffic and his engagement level without the puck really improved over the course of the season. By the end of the year, he had become active along the wall and had begun to use his speed to win loose puck battles too. Where he really struggles is in the defensive end. That part of his game will require a lot of work before he reaches the next level. If you're going to play a high risk game, and take chances with the puck, you have to maintain energy and effort if you give the puck up (which will happen). His overall awareness level in his own end needs to improve too. But there may not be a player in this draft outside of the big three, who possesses as much potential as Nylander. While I've got Tkachuk ranked ahead of him (barely), I wouldn't be surprised if he went first among OHL players"
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That really makes me want Nylander. I don't have a big preference between the three 2nd tier forwards (Dubois by a nose over Tkachuk by a nose over Nylander)... but that description... Geez. If that's not hyperbole then Nylander at least draws even with Tkachuk.
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05-20-2016, 01:15 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
But there is no consensus after the top 3. The consensus lists like Mackenzie and THN make it seem like there's consensus because they average a variety of opinions to get an averaged list. But the reality is that Nylander is not going to be top 6 for every team.
Will Nylander be the most purely skilled forward left if Tkachuk/Dubois go 4/5? Of that there is no doubt. But will he be the BPA on the Flames list? I think that's very debatable and we've gone over the arguments for/against many times. Here's a quick summary as far as I see it:
Why Nylander could be top 6 for the Flames:
-Most purely skilled forward after Tkachuk/Dubois
-Plays RW and is a right shot, both needs for the Flames
Why Nylander could not be top 6 for the Flames:
-Their organizational philosophy of defensemen>centres>wingers may mean that Nylander drops in relation to the other players he may be seen as tied as one could argue that Nylander is very close to Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev and Brown. So Nylander may drop below some or all of those on the Flames list because he plays the least valuable position in the NHL as a winger
-While he fits a RW need and right shot need he doesn't have the ideal size/strength and doesn't play that gritty, hard nosed style that we really lack. Some people think the Flames lack pure skill but I think we have a lot of pure skill with Gaudreau, Monahan and Bennett and still have some skilled players in the system with Shinkaruk, Mangiapane, Jankowski and Poirier. Some people think the Flames lack that power forward the most and Nylander doesn't play that style.
I can see both arguments and therefore I don't think we can rule Nylander out as a potential pick at #6 for the Flames. But as I'm sure everyone knows I tend to favour the argument that at least 1-2 of the defensemen may be seen as a more valuable prospect in the long run by the Flames.
So yes, Nylander may end up as a 70-80 point finesse winger. But if we turn that down for a guy who has "potential to develop into a dominant two-way defender who could challenge for multiple Norris trophies" in Chychrun, or a 6'6 Mats Sundin in Brown, or a guy who has "potential to be a perennial NHL all star" in Sergachev should we be disappointed? How could we be?
I'm always surprised when I see people disappointed in this draft class when our consolation prize could be one of those above. I wouldn't be disappointed with a 70-80 point finesse winger (Nylander), a 6'2 25 min a night top pairing dman (Chychrun, Sergachev or maybe even Juolevi), or a beastly 6'6 top two line centre (Brown) at #6. Sure Tkachuk/Dubois fit our immediate needs better and would likely be closer to the NHL but its not like there's a huge drop off after #5. I think Ashashx said #6 is the most disappointing position in the draft and New Era seems very Debbie Downer on the upside of the second tier but I see it very differently. I like the players in the 4-10 range a lot. I'd be happy with most of them.
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For the most part the consensus 4-6 players in the draft are the forwards I listed in differing orders (ISS has Nylander ahead of both Dubios and Tkachuk). Look I get that you would prefer one of these defenseman over Nylander and that's fine and all but you have yet to convince me that any of these defensemen will fill the Flames organizational needs better than Nylander. Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett need help on RW badly and I don't see any value in signing a guy like Okposo to fill that void at $5 million/season when you can draft a more talented young kid that will be on an entry level deal for years. Also I'm not of the opinion that the team needs to get bigger or harder to play against. They simply need to play better defense, get better goaltending, and continue to bolster their top 6 forward depth.
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