2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

When Pitt's wins the cup behind Murray I imagine we can move a contract and a 2nd for Fleury!

Luongo was traded for Matthias and Markstrom. He was and still is better than Fleury.

The second wouldn't get you Matthias and Markstrom. So I would assume that a player like Klimchuk, Pollock... would have to go along with the pick to even be in the realm of possibility.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Luongo was traded for Matthias and Markstrom. He was and still is better than Fleury.

The second wouldn't get you Matthias and Markstrom. So I would assume that a player like Klimchuk, Pollock... would have to go along with the pick to even be in the realm of possibility.

Thats exactly what he said... "A contract and a 2nd..."

Why do people feel the need to respond to a post, thinking they have something to add but just end up saying the exact thing they are quoting.. ?

So many people around here do that and instead of making you look like you know what youre talking about, it usually makes you look like a parrot..

Sorry tp point you out... but it was happening a few times yesterday to me and its really annoying.

[Sylvanfan]

I think a MAF to Dallas Trade for one of their two goalies as part of the return potentially makes good sense for both teams.

The two guys from Dallas have one fewer years left on their deals than MAF. If Pittsburgh did get one of the Dallas guys they can still run Murray as the starter, but avoid the controversial dynamic of having a long serving vet like MAF as the backup.

With less term attached they have an easier time carrying the more expensive backup who also lets them expose a lot of money in the expansion draft. Plus losing one of Niemi or Lehtonen in the expansion draft likely doesn't hurt their feelings too much. Whereas losing Fleury without getting anything of value would.

Dallas has Benn and Seguin on cheap deals for next year, and a few other guys who's final contract year will be next year. Realistically the Stars window to win is going to be next year before they look at a bit of a retool. So if they can find a way to upgrade in goal without spending more money at the position it will help them address their defense this offseason.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think a MAF to Dallas Trade for one of their two goalies as part of the return potentially makes good sense for both teams.

The two guys from Dallas have one fewer years left on their deals than MAF. If Pittsburgh did get one of the Dallas guys they can still run Murray as the starter, but avoid the controversial dynamic of having a long serving vet like MAF as the backup.

With less term attached they have an easier time carrying the more expensive backup who also lets them expose a lot of money in the expansion draft. Plus losing one of Niemi or Lehtonen in the expansion draft likely doesn't hurt their feelings too much. Whereas losing Fleury without getting anything of value would.

Dallas has Benn and Seguin on cheap deals for next year, and a few other guys who's final contract year will be next year. Realistically the Stars window to win is going to be next year before they look at a bit of a retool. So if they can find a way to upgrade in goal without spending more money at the position it will help them address their defense this offseason.

This would be my guess for Pittsburgh and Dallas as well.

Could see something like Niemi + Pick for Fleury working out for both sides quite well.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Thats exactly what he said... "A contract and a 2nd..."

Why do people feel the need to respond to a post, thinking they have something to add but just end up saying the exact thing they are quoting.. ?

So many people around here do that and instead of making you look like you know what youre talking about, it usually makes you look like a parrot..

Sorry tp point you out... but it was happening a few times yesterday to me and its really annoying.

Because a contract would insinuate a roster player to even out salary, not necessarily add to the value of the pick. Klimchuk, Pollock... would be a prospect, which would add to the value of the trade offer.

Not to sound like a parrot or anything But maybe you could add something to the conversation rather than airing your annoyances on someone else's opinion.

[JJ1532]

The issue Dallas has though is that they have some major guys to re-sign this year. Nichuskin and Oleksiak are RFAs and the former especially might want a raise. They also have Eaves, Fiddler, Moen, Sceviour, Demers, Goligoski, Russell and Benn as UFAs to re-sign. They only have $17m of cap space to do this. Very tricky, especially when you consider Benn, Sharp, Faksa, Hemsky, Oduya, Janmark and Nemeth are free agents in a years time.

Point being, can they start making goaltender adjustments until they have a better idea of how much some of their big name free agents are going to want? They are in a very interesting situation at the moment. Going to be fascinating to see what moves they make between now and the start of next season.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Robbob

They will not need to overpay for him at all. The teams with starting jobs available are Calgary and Toronto. I don't think he goes back to Toronto, so his options are Calgary as a starter or a situation where the goalie starts are by committee.

I thought I heard he was seeking 6 mil per year to return to Toronto. Perhaps that was just his Toronto price but he knows he's the best option this off-season.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by saillias

I thought I heard he was seeking 6 mil per year to return to Toronto. Perhaps that was just his Toronto price but he knows he's the best option this off-season.

With only one legit buyer he doesn't really have an advantage. This year will probably be the worst year to be a UFA goalie with the potential of the expansion draft rules coming out a couple weeks before UFA starts.

[VladtheImpaler]

Good post, Sylvanfan.
There are about 15-20 starting goalies "available" and only 2.5 jobs. We should be able to land a quality goalie for the Dallas 2nd.

[Roof-Daddy]

Sure sounds more and more like Halak will be on the move as the Isles apparently view Greiss as a starter, and are also very high on Berube.

The Isles are also without a 2nd or 3rd round pick in the 2016 draft.

Seems like a pretty good trading partner for the Flames IMO.

Still hope BT can snag a younger upstart goalie, but Halak would be a really good stop gap as that's pretty much become the definition of his career.

Stop gapped in Montreal, St. Louis and now the Isles. Even a short little partial season in Washington while they kept Holtby coming along too.

[MrMike]

What goalies would you be okay with trading the 6th overall pick for? Like somehow trying to pry a Cory Schnieder from the Devils, just making discussion.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Robbob

They will not need to overpay for him at all. The teams with starting jobs available are Calgary and Toronto. I don't think he goes back to Toronto, so his options are Calgary as a starter or a situation where the goalie starts are by committee.

I'm sorry, I don't think Reimer is a starter.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by MrMike

What goalies would you be okay with trading the 6th overall pick for? Like somehow trying to pry a Cory Schnieder from the Devils, just making discussion.

For me, Joonas Korpisalo. Every time I watched him play this season I came away thinking future star right there.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by dammage79

For me, Joonas Korpisalo. Every time I watched him play this season I came away thinking future star right there.

If the Flames were to trade the 6th OA pick for a goaltender, I hope they would do so for someone with more than one NHL season under their belt.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by MrMike

What goalies would you be okay with trading the 6th overall pick for? Like somehow trying to pry a Cory Schnieder from the Devils, just making discussion.

For me Mrazek is the only one that's shown to be worth dealing the 6th for straight up in a Cory Schneider type deal.

Allen, Murray, Gibson and Vasilevskiy I'd probably deal it as long as a late 1st was coming back in a trade down type scenario. Possibly Korpisalo too, but he has terrible AHL numbers and a real small sample size in the NHL.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

If the Flames were to trade the 6th OA pick for a goaltender, I hope they would do so for someone with more than one NHL season under their belt.

That's fine. But I feel like Korpisalo is a lock even with the equipment shrinking.

[dammage79]

I don't think Korpisalo stats are bad at all in the AHL. Heck even a .920 in 31 gp with CLB is a great start given their issues this year.

And Korpisalo has apparently been a beast in the AHL playoffs.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=44198

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't think Korpisalo stats are bad at all in the AHL. Heck even a .920 in 31 gp with CLB is a great start given their issues this year.

And Korpisalo has apparently been a beast in the AHL playoffs.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=44198

Yeah, not terrible, but average. Who knows though, maybe he ends up being the best of the bunch. I'd still like more of a track record before dealing a pick that high for him.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, not terrible, but average. Who knows though, maybe he ends up being the best of the bunch. I'd still like more of a track record before dealing a pick that high for him.

That's fair. I think you might be able to get Korpisalo without giving up the 6th pick anyways. With their Goaltending depth they can definitely dangle him to address other team needs.

Behind Korpisalo they have Anton Forsberg, Oscar Dansk and Elvis Merzlikins. All solid prospects.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's fair. I think you might be able to get Korpisalo without giving up the 6th pick anyways. With their Goaltending depth they can definitely dangle him to address other team needs.

Behind Korpisalo they have Anton Forsberg, Oscar Dansk and Elvis Merzlikins. All solid prospects.

I'm a big Korpisalo fan as well. Might be a case though where they actually think Korpisalo is their goalie of the future over Bobrovsky. Does Bob have a NMC?