[News] Head coach Bob Hartley fired; Associate coach Jacques Cloutier not returning

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

Playstyle and puck possession depend on players team have. I appreceiate our players, but Bouma and company dont have enough skill to play such game. We have 3-4 players who can do this...

Puck possession primarily derives fromplaystyle (Early d-zone exits, weak neutral zone play) and strategies (i.e. set plays) derive from the coach so you are incorrect. Sutter tried to cram every player into a dump and chase game, Keenan was more run and gun with zero care for special teams, Hartley emphasized effort, discipline and speed over strategy and teamplay in the D-zone.

This ultimately lead to poor possession in the neutral zone and weak entries because the D-zone play forced the same few plays over and over. The possession directly derives from the passing lanes available that is created by the strategies the team uses, the more passing lanes the more the opposition has to cover the less they can attack. When we got the puck in our zone players would usually start breaking out at top speed immediately instead of establishing open lanes. Treliving likely watched the players practicing at top speed with little correction to the ineffective strategies.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

GM job can be judged where the team was and where it is now. Not by standings position but mostly by roster. I still think that 2 years is enough to understand who can be you #1 goalie and other problems. But all he says is: we need to wait, we will see and so on... I think we can buy him window for birthday )

But my main question for Treliving is - what kind fo team he wants to see. Feaster had a plan. It can be good or bad but he had it. He wanted fast players with good hockey skills or good skills potential. Some kind of Golden State Warriors in NHL may be...

Coach can work only with players he had. If he do not have good quality players than you cant ask him to make miracle every year...

P.S. I am not Hnat. He was player i liked when i was young )

Phew!!! That's good to know. I thought you had forgotten how to spell your own name for a second there.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

It means that Treliving do not know who he want to hire? Wow... Just fire Hartley for nothing. If it is so then it is another unclear move by GM... Still think wrong man lost his job.

What do you want him to say? "Hartley was ok but there is a better coach that just became available which makes him expendable so we fired him."?

He can't go out and actually admit it. He was not too happy with Hartley's performance this year, and he was never Treliving's guy. With lots of good coaching options right now, this makes sense.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Phew!!! That's good to know. I thought you had forgotten how to spell your own name for a second there.

Uh...that is how you spell it.

[jg13]

Lots of work for Treliving this summer. Adding to the World Championships he has to get both contracts done for Monahan and Gaudreau, find a new coach and head to the draft.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by jg13

Lots of work for Treliving this summer. Adding to the World Championships he has to get both contracts done for Monahan and Gaudreau, find a new coach and head to the draft.

Just the way he likes it haha. Dude is a tireless worker.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Uh...that is how you spell it.

No sir.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hnat_Domenichelli

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

It means that Treliving do not know who he want to hire? Wow... Just fire Hartley for nothing. If it is so then it is another unclear move by GM... Still think wrong man lost his job.

Shouldn't a GM be able to hire his own coach?

If you think BT should be fired you are out to lunch

[DuffMan]

Can you really be a GM in the NHL or any league and not have a plan when you fire the coach. I mean, sure if the coach is obviously underachieving on a team that is expected to achieve, but on a team like todays Flames?
weird.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Francis suggesting BB to CGY and Hartley to Ottawa.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Francis suggesting BB to CGY and Hartley to Ottawa.

that would be pretty sweet

[Demetric]

the people calling for BT's head, I think need to give their own head a shake. He has done more for this franchise in a couple years then most GMs do. Based on BT's comments what it came down to was a difference in styles. BTs wants to have the puck more while Bob was not willing to change his coaching.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Francis is making it up.

[Blaster86]

They want defensive responsibility so they're bringing in Bruce Boudreau?

[flamesfever]

IMO his firing is a bad move. I expect to see a much bigger team, with a more defensive and boring style of hockey with him gone.

[Magnum PEI]

I've also heard that all but 1 or 2 players didn't like him. I wonder if this is what was holding up Johnny and Monny's extensions.

[Benched]

Originally Posted by IntenseFan

Respectfully, it MUST have something to do with the rebuild status. Either the Flames think it's over and were therefore very dissatisfied with the season (that is my view) or they don't think it's progressing properly, with the right oversight.

Here is my list of why the Flames faltered in this last season:

1. Goal-tending;

2. Puck possession;

3. Poor defensive play (which partially flows out of 2., but not everything);

4. Lack of work ethic some nights (not every night);

5. Lack of team offence.

Some of these are certainly coach issues (possession, work ethic and some of the defensive lapses are probably more coaching than player personnel issues), but some issues are obvious holes in the Flames roster that need to be addressed. They won't be easily addressed and likely not quickly.

I have great trepidation we are putting the cart before the horse here and Hartley is a casualty of it.

Yeah I disagree here.

Look at TO and Babcock. They are clearly rebuilding but he came in and wanted to establish systems. The whole premise was to teach young guys the right way to play, so that when they're done rebuilding it's second nature.

That's what I see here. I see we have at least 1 more year of a rebuild. The GM wants 'his guy' to come in and teach a different style. That gives him a year to come in, teach the guys, play 'the right way', before the pressure turns up.


I don't see it as 'rebuild over' but rather, 'that phase of the rebuild is over....time to get serious about our blueprint and how we're going to build this thing to win going forward'. A big part of that is playstyle, so you can get the bodies to fill those roles.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

I've also heard that all but 1 or 2 players didn't like him. I wonder if this is what was holding up Johnny and Monny's extensions.

Where did you hear that?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They want defensive responsibility so they're bringing in Bruce Boudreau?

Anaheim had the lowest GAA in the league this past season.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

No sir.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hnat_Domenichelli

Am I missing something? That's exactly how he spelt it.