[News] Head coach Bob Hartley fired; Associate coach Jacques Cloutier not returning

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Ugh, Francis is such a fool. After Treliving repeatedly said no replacement coach is in mind, he asks Treliving if he's already spoken to Boudreau and what their relationship is. Stupid stupid stupid

The second post in this thread is a CP poster wondering if this move has to do with Boudreau. Boudreau comes up 23 times on the first page of this thread. Many of us are wondering if he'll be the next coach in Calgary. I don't see it as a bad question. As no coach is currently hired, I don't think Treliving can just flat out say he has Boudreau, or any other coach, in mind. I think it's fair to ask him if he's talked with Bruce.

[FBI]

It's been fun reading crazy Flames news for the past few hours again.. I approve this decision as long as we are awesome next year

[northcrunk]

Pat's standard questions:

How was that for you?
How did that feel?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

The second post in this thread is a CP poster wondering if this move has to do with Boudreau. Boudreau comes up 23 times on the first page of this thread. Many of us are wondering if he'll be the next coach in Calgary.

All of that talk was before the press conference where Treliving repeatedly said that the decision was made without any consideration for who the new coach might be or due to the availability of other coaches.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Why is BT talking about playing a heavier game? That is on him, not Hartley.

[domenichelly]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 43m43 minutes ago
CGY decision to terminate Hartley had less to do with who's available and more to do with management believing it's time for a new voice.

It means that Treliving do not know who he want to hire? Wow... Just fire Hartley for nothing. If it is so then it is another unclear move by GM... Still think wrong man lost his job.

[Moneyhands23]

I think it's way better now than at the end of next season.
Let the new coach establish a system next year, have the rest of the bad contracts finish out/traded away at the deadline. 1 more season of drafting top 15 as well as another year of prospect development. Sets up for a good go at the 2017/2018 season.

GFG

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

It means that Treliving do not know who he want to hire? Wow... Just fire Hartley for nothing. If it is so then it is another unclear move by GM... Still think wrong man lost his job.

except BT stated it was over playstyle and puck possession. Is ignoring something contradictory just easier?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

It means that Treliving do not know who he want to hire? Wow... Just fire Hartley for nothing. If it is so then it is another unclear move by GM... Still think wrong man lost his job.

I am always impressed by people who can contort themselves into pretzels.

But no, the claim that the Flames didn't fire Hartley because Boudreau just became available is in no way, shape or form evidence that Treliving "fire[d] Hartley for nothing" or made an "unclear move". It means only that Boudreau's dismissal in Anaheim was not what precipitated Hartley's dismissal here.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

It means that Treliving do not know who he want to hire? Wow... Just fire Hartley for nothing. If it is so then it is another unclear move by GM... Still think wrong man lost his job.

He's just being respectful to Hartley. There's no way they have no plan and have yet to give any thought about who to hire

[flames_fan_down_under]

Wow that is some crazy news.

I did not expect to hear that. Well I am happy to see the Flames management are not satisfied with this previous abysmal season. There is a lot lacking in the way Hartley had the Flames playing. I think Treliving will get his guy and this will finally be his iteration of the Flames.

[domenichelly]

Originally Posted by AcGold

except BT stated it was over playstyle and puck possession. Is ignoring something contradictory just easier?

Playstyle and puck possession depend on players team have. I appreceiate our players, but Bouma and company dont have enough skill to play such game. We have 3-4 players who can do this...

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by btimbit

He's just being respectful to Hartley. There's no way they have no plan and have yet to give any thought about who to hire

As to the first part of your statement - he said there's a plan. He has a profile in mind. And the search can now begin for candidates who fit that profile and better match with Treliving's philosophy about how to move forward. But he repeatedly said that there was no consideration in regards to who's available or who the next coach may be. Seems like something that should be taken at face value.

[simonsays]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

the coach of the year award is the kiss of death ...

I think that says more about the selection process of the Adams than it does about anything else. It's like giving a batting award in baseball to the kid who everyone thinks will strike out but who manages to hit a single. I mean it's great and all but not exactly Silver Slugger material.

Honestly I think it's time for Treviling to really put his stamp on this team and coaching selection is one of the most important and impactful decisions he can make. Last year he was indecisive about the goalie situation and seemed to think that a clear winner would emerge. I don't think that he could afford to give the same rope to Hartley this coming year.

When we acquired Hartley I didn't think he was the right selection at all for this team, but I had to eat crow on that one. He's been a great teacher/motivator to our skill guys and has been amazing at coaching to the strengths of the team.

That said, I'm not upset with his dismissal is because I think he's been rather poor at minimizing the weaknesses of our players.

[GranteedEV]

I have no opinion on firing Hartley one way or the other.

I'm not convinced our play style under Hartley was really all that different from that of certain "possession" teams (Chicago / Dallas / Pittsburgh under Sullivan) but some change could help, too. We'll see, I guess.

Maybe this will revive Mason Raymond's career and they don't have to bury him in the minors.

Whatever it is, the Flames need to become an aggressive, speedy forechecking team that activates its defense often and continues to use the stretch pass when available, because between Brodie, Gio, Kulak, Jokipakka and Bennett, we have some very good defensive zone passers on roster.

[IntenseFan]

Originally Posted by polak

What?
This has zero to do with rebuild status. Everything to do with getting a coach that is teaching your core how to play hockey the correct way. Hartley couldn't do that. He was a one trick pony and everyone figured him out. You can't blame goaltending for everything. There were good chunks of time with Ramo and Ortio where we had average to above average goaltending yet the team still failed to stay in the playoff spot they got a taste of in December.

Respectfully, it MUST have something to do with the rebuild status. Either the Flames think it's over and were therefore very dissatisfied with the season (that is my view) or they don't think it's progressing properly, with the right oversight.

Here is my list of why the Flames faltered in this last season:

1. Goal-tending;

2. Puck possession;

3. Poor defensive play (which partially flows out of 2., but not everything);

4. Lack of work ethic some nights (not every night);

5. Lack of team offence.

Some of these are certainly coach issues (possession, work ethic and some of the defensive lapses are probably more coaching than player personnel issues), but some issues are obvious holes in the Flames roster that need to be addressed. They won't be easily addressed and likely not quickly.

I have great trepidation we are putting the cart before the horse here and Hartley is a casualty of it.

[dammage79]

I'm surprised Hartley was let go this early. Not upset really though. I liked Bob and I feel Hartley did some key things to turn this organization in the right direction. But at the end of the day, this is the last piece for Treliving to make it his team. He stuck with Hartley when he was hired but wasn't "his" hire for coach. Now is the time to put one of the finishing touches on this team to meet his vision.

I look forward to seeing who he hires and why he hired that person.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Wow, step away from the cliff.

Other than Bob and Jacques, what other "capable coaches" have the Flames let go?

More to the point, what 'capable' coaches have the Oilers let go?!

[domenichelly]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I am always impressed by people who can contort themselves into pretzels.

If team want to develop there must be a plan or something. I dont see any of this on GMs decisions. And his words about playstyle and puck posession is on him. His job is to find or sign such players who can do it.
You can't ask a cargo car to win a F1 racing. It was made for other duties. So is for our team...

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by IntenseFan

Respectfully, it MUST have something to do with the rebuild status. Either the Flames think it's over and were therefore very dissatisfied with the season (that is my view) or they don't think it's progressing properly, with the right oversight.

I think it's the latter. Treliving's statement that Hartley took the team as far as he could implies, to me anyway, that this team has further to go to become a contender. And the change was made to continue that progress. I didn't get anything close to a "win now" mandate from anything Treliving said.