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Old 05-01-2016, 10:17 PM   #1861
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Tower of Joy is going to be sweet to witness.

I'm glad they did away with the ambiguity around Baelon, and that the entire Iron Islands storyline seems to be streamlined and simplified. I found it painfully boring to slog through in the books.

I hope that Hodor's origin doesn't somehow become a significant plot point in the show. I never found myself reading the books and wondering that much about it.
Just show a horse kicking him in the head and be done with it.

Don't make Ned or his brothers into @ssholes who beat him up. I get that every character isn't black and white, but don't crap on ned please.
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Old 05-01-2016, 10:19 PM   #1862
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Yeah it'll be one of the kids that is at fault for him being simple but the question is why? Ned takes the blame for Lyanna? Not sure how that's gonna fit in to the overall story.
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Old 05-01-2016, 10:21 PM   #1864
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It is so obvious now. Hodor is jon's real father. Hodor and Lyanna. To protect the truth Ned has him kicked by a horse and the rest is history.

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Hodor, Tyrion and Dany will ride the dragons!
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Part of me as really hoping they would surprise us with a Sean cameo for the ToJ but I get it. They got the famous line in, I r so happy.
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Old 05-02-2016, 09:04 AM   #1867
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The "gift," to Ramsay is going to be Rickon, I think.
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Old 05-02-2016, 09:24 AM   #1868
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I know it's a longshot but I hope the gift ends up being Sweetrobin or even Olly as a fake Rickon
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I know it's a longshot but I hope the gift ends up being Sweetrobin or even Olly as a fake Rickon
Olly should have been wall wacked by Wun Wun when he broke down the door of at castle black.
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Olly's death will require it's own episode, and even then it won't seem like enough.
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Old 05-02-2016, 03:13 PM   #1871
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I was wondering if it relates to Brienne meeting Lady Stoneheart, who accused her of breaking her oath by working for the Lannisters.

Just googled that. If that character is resurrected then this show has officially entered the Tyson zone.
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Old 05-02-2016, 03:49 PM   #1872
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Just googled that. If that character is resurrected then this show has officially entered the Tyson zone.
I just googled that, too. They're keeping it really, really tight to the chest. Even some of the production staff didn't know that Thoros of Myr was making a return this season, so it's feasible it'll be a surprise for everyone if she does make an appearance.
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Old 05-04-2016, 10:04 AM   #1873
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RE: Jon/Ned similarities from non book thread.

It just occurred to me that the Jon/Ned comparisons may be a red herring.

Show they are the same to make the link to Ned being Jon's father stronger, then bam, next episode pull out the rug and have his father be Rhaegar.

And on that note, is there any reason to think that we will for sure find out Jon's parents next episode? Just because we see Tower of Joy doesn't mean we get the full story. I think it'll leave more hints and questions than it'll provide answers.
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I think that Reed will deliver to us who Jon's parents are eventually, but next episode will introduce him to Bran and end with Ned looking at or going into the Tower.

Then Bran wakes up and says your father knows a secret or whatever to Meera and the story moves forward from there.

I think the interaction in the flashback could be two fold, one it is to remind us that Jon is Ned's 'son' and two it is to remind us how close Jon was to Olly and how much he trusted/loved him like family before the betrayal. Setting the table for both the ToJ cut scene and for Jon to res with pens. I don't think it had any really deep meaning about the three eyed raven or warging or anything like that.

I mean John, John sorry.
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I could see the reveal of Jon's parentage being stretched out to the last handful of episodes of the series. And yeah, the red herring idea makes sense to me.

I've never really thought about the end game, of either the books or the series, in a lot of detail until recently. It seems clear to me that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion will be key figures in how things resolve. But I'm left wondering about the dangling threads of Sansa and Arya, and can't figure out where they play in. I also don't see things in Westeros being any better off (other than no threat of the Others/White Walkers, robably) when everything is wound up.
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Old 05-04-2016, 10:23 AM   #1876
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Yeah, I could see them stretching it out a little while longer. They might just show the fight at the Tower of Joy without showing Ned make his promise to Lyanna until a later episode.

I think we'll see Bran's flashbacks jump around a bit. I assume we'll see some of young Ned with Robert at the Eyre; Ned walking into the throne room after Jaime took down the Mad King; and the Tournament at Harrenhal all at various points this season.
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Not really sure where they're going with Rickon's story. Kind of completely washes out a pretty big storyline from the books.
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:42 PM   #1879
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Not really sure where they're going with Rickon's story. Kind of completely washes out a pretty big storyline from the books.
What am I missing, in the books rickon is "headed south" destination TBD.

I didn't like the fact Bran was upset Ed didn't win 1vs1. Ed told his kids that Reed saved his life, he was blunt and honest about it.
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What am I missing, in the books rickon is "headed south" destination TBD.

I didn't like the fact Bran was upset Ed didn't win 1vs1. Ed told his kids that Reed saved his life, he was blunt and honest about it.
The only thing I can think is that it is meant to magnify the importance of Ned reaching Lyanna. Desperation is so high that the honourable northern houses were willing to stab the most notorious swordsman in Westeros in the back.

As for Rickon, I have a sneaking suspicion it's a play between himself and the Umbers against Ramsay. Just a feeling I got when reading that scene.

Don't know what the payoff is, but that's where I'm leaning right now.
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