[News] Flames to pick 6th in 2016 draft

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by kn

No one is moving into #2 or #3. I wouldn't listen to Calgary if I was Winnipeg or Columbus unless Monahan was included.

I'd wager Columbus would move pick #3 for Monahan...maybe even Bennett...obviously CGY won't do that, though

[Boreal]

With a few added pieces, I could see a 3 team deal with Edmonton moving the 4th pick to Anaheim, Anaheim sending Vatanan to the Isles, & the Isles sending Hamonic to the Oinkers.

Then Hamonic's career will plateau, like so many others.

Really I just want something like last year's Reinhart deal.

[getbak]

Maybe if a team with a lack of prospect depth (like Vancouver) had won the second or third pick, the Flames could put together a package that might appeal to them, but Winnipeg is considered to have one of the best prospect bases in the league, and I don't see the only Finnish GM in the league passing up the chance to get one of the highest-rated Finnish prospects of all time.


My guess is that the Oilers will move Nugent-Hopkins and/or Eberle for defence, and then use the #4 pick to take Dubois to replace the guy they traded on the depth chart.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Thats some serious tin foil stuff going on there s he needs to explain the last decade of results if "rigging" the draft is a thing. Hilarious.

here is tidbit also from that article that i found interesting though...

Everyone knows it's not number one picks but rather number three picks that are the key to winning the cup.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Jacks

You think the price to move up from 6th to 4th or 5th is Brodie or Hamilton?
Wow, draft picks are overrated.

I never say that. Problem is you didn't read the whole thing. I was saying Edmonton or Vancouver might asked for one of Brodie or Hamilton that is why IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!
Man, sometimes people just don't read the whole post before reacting. Trust me I wouldn't want the Flames to have trades with either two team.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by getbak

Maybe if a team with a lack of prospect depth (like Vancouver) had won the second or third pick, the Flames could put together a package that might appeal to them, but Winnipeg is considered to have one of the best prospect bases in the league, and I don't see the only Finnish GM in the league passing up the chance to get one of the highest-rated Finnish prospects of all time.


My guess is that the Oilers will move Nugent-Hopkins and/or Eberle for defence, and then use the #4 pick to take Dubois to replace the guy they traded on the depth chart.

I really think Edmonton will trade Nugent-Hopkins plus Yakupov for a top 2 defenseman or Eberle + Yakupov and maybe a draft pick for a top 2D. I still think they will pick a D on their 4th pick. The reason I think RNH or Eberle is going to be traded is because those are the ony players that can command what they are asking for. Trading Yakupov alone will not get them what they wanted.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Flames and Oilers are actually pretty good trading partners at the moment.

It would be foolish of Edmonton to pass on Dubois at 4 (at least, IMO). Though Dubois does also fill a need for them (they are soft and small in their top 6), they absolutely suck on defence.

Not only does Calgary have a number of solid defensive prospects, but they also have 3 second rounders (one of which may turn into a first - go Dallas go!).

Calgary's first + one or two seconds for Edmonton's first makes some sense. Calgary's first + a good defensive prospect makes sense too. Etc.

Calgary drafts Dubois, Edmonton takes their preferred defencemen.

With that being said, I do also think that they just draft Dubois and trade Eberle/RNH to get a relatively established defencemen. It fills 2 holes in their lineup essentially. It would seem like the smartest move (Edmonton jokes aside). Chiarelli also has a penchant for big bruising players (notwithstanding that he didn't necessarily build the Bruins, but he is on record as stating as much).

As for Calgary trading down - I think that is something that they will look at still. I hope they don't - having to protect another established player that they acquire through trade rather than just be patient for a couple of years seems like the way to go for me. However, I am sure they will explore all avenues. The 6th round pick is both an asset and extremely valuable currency. Flames will definitely be listening to offers and probably making some of their own - whether that is to move up, move down, or trade it completely.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Flames and Oilers are actually pretty good trading partners at the moment.

It would be foolish of Edmonton to pass on Dubois at 4 (at least, IMO). Though Dubois does also fill a need for them (they are soft and small in their top 6), they absolutely suck on defence.

Not only does Calgary have a number of solid defensive prospects, but they also have 3 second rounders (one of which may turn into a first - go Dallas go!).

Calgary's first + one or two seconds for Edmonton's first makes some sense. Calgary's first + a good defensive prospect makes sense too. Etc.

Calgary drafts Dubois, Edmonton takes their preferred defencemen.

With that being said, I do also think that they just draft Dubois and trade Eberle/RNH to get a relatively established defencemen. It fills 2 holes in their lineup essentially. It would seem like the smartest move (Edmonton jokes aside). Chiarelli also has a penchant for big bruising players (notwithstanding that he didn't necessarily build the Bruins, but he is on record as stating as much).

As for Calgary trading down - I think that is something that they will look at still. I hope they don't - having to protect another established player that they acquire through trade rather than just be patient for a couple of years seems like the way to go for me. However, I am sure they will explore all avenues. The 6th round pick is both an asset and extremely valuable currency. Flames will definitely be listening to offers and probably making some of their own - whether that is to move up, move down, or trade it completely.

I get your train of thought, Edmonton is not that smart though. They take Dubois. He plays this year for them and has a disaster of a season as they destroy another prospect.

Eberle and RNH don't get them the Dman they need.

Edmonton needs to overpay for a Dman. Hamonic makes so much sense, they will have to overpay but he is the perfect fit for this team. That trade does not happen.

Calgary trading with the oilers makes sense too. That's why it wont happen.

[Poe969]

At this point, I think the Flames need to target the jets to see if they'd even be willing to move the pick as they're the best but still likely won't. If they can't get #2 then just sit and see if the nucks and coil pass on one of Tkachuck or Dubois. If neither of those 2 are available, I'd strongly look at moving into the early-mid teens and target Boston or Carolina and ask for their 2 first rounders. I still think there a re a lot of good players in the that range and I'm starting to like the idea of Gauthier more and more. It would also give them a second or potentially third first rounder to target guys like Tufte, Stanley, Jones and a host of others.

Either way whatever they do with the pick will be good IMO. This management team has really moved this team in the right direction and I'm looking forward to this off season to see what they can do.

[Heavy Jack]

The great thing about the Flames is they don't really need to make a splash to move up and they don't need to waste a player like Monahan in a trade like that that's for sure. Yes Liane/Puljujarvi would be awesome additions but Monahan is established with the club, has great chemistry with Johnny and is going towards a big 4th season next year as he begins to establish himself in the league as one of the top centerman.

With guys like Gaudreau/Monahan/Bennett already here and guys like Jankowski/Pribyl/Mangiapane/Shinkaruk being offensive driver's in their own respective leagues up to this point missing out on Liane/Puljujarvi for one of Tkachuk/Dubois/Nylander doesn't seem nearly as painful as some are making it out to be, especially with Oilers/Nucks missing out on the top 3 as well.

[bubbsy]

so i must say that this past season has been such a forgettable one.... The hockey quality was quite poor for most of the season, and the worst season we've seen since embarking on this "rebuild" journey as far as the effort, earned never given, perspective go.

Then to be a bottom 5 team yet be drafting outside the top5 is just the cherry on top... ugh.

sorry for the rant, just needed to get it off my chest.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by AC

Yep, I think the odds of #1-3 being traded are virtually zero given the teams picking at those spots.

Edmonton at #4 however seems like a very likely trade given their clear-cut need on D, the impending expansion draft forcing teams to likely lose their #4 D, and the draft rankings as they are.

As for teams that I think might be interested, I think the expansion draft is going to be a big catalyst. Several teams will be exposing quality defenemen by default, so trading one now for a top pick might be a no-brainer.

ANA: Bieksa has a NMC?! Even still they have Fowler, Vatanen, Lindholm, and Despres. Vatanen and Lindholm are going to get some big raises here, plus they'll obviously be looking for a shakeup this summer.

FLA: Kulikov, Gudbranson, Petrovic, and Ekblad.

MIN: Suter, Spurgeon (NMC), Brodin, Scandella, Dumba. Yikes 5 D they'd like to protect.

NSH: Weber, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm. The team I think using the 8 skater exemption option makes the most sense for given their drop-off at F.

NYI: Boychuk, Leddy, Hamonic, Hickey, De Haan, Pulock. Plus Hamonic's desire to go to Western Canada, and their trade history with Edmonton... seems like a perfect fit.

NYR: Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, Klein. Probably just expose Klein.
SJ: Burns, Martin, Vlasic, Braun, Dillon. Another team with 5 worth protecting.

STL: Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester, Shattenkirk, Parayko. Do they just expose and lose Bouwmeester?

WSH: Niskanen, Carlson, Alzner, Orlov.

I completely agree, there's going to be some defensemen on the move. Great post.

Just wanted to address the Panthers briefly. Kulikov will be an UFA at the end of next season. He already makes $4.3 M, and while I like him, he's just as likely to be let go as a free agent. Panthers protect Ekblad, Gudbranson, and Petrovic. Matheson will likely move into the top 4 sometime next year, and he'll be in just his 2nd pro season, so unless I'm mistaken, he'll be protected still? I'm still fuzzy on the timing of when things kick in.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

so i must say that this past season has been such a forgettable one.... The hockey quality was quite poor for most of the season, and the worst season we've seen since embarking on this "rebuild" journey as far as the effort, earned never given, perspective go.

Then to be a bottom 5 team yet be drafting outside the top5 is just the cherry on top... ugh.

sorry for the rant, just needed to get it off my chest.

I don't think this was the worst season since the rebuild started. We saw our core take a step forward as Johnny finished top 6 in league scoring. Monahan, Hamilton, Brodie, and Gio all had career years.

Dropping back one spot sucks (staying at 5 guarantees one of Tkachuk or Dubois) but at least the Oilers and Canucks drop two spots and neither team gets one of the 3 elite prospects

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I think that any talk/speculation that the Flames will trade down can probably stop. Treliving spoke to Haynes very recently and said that their scouts have outlined two ledges - 3 players in each. Holding the 6th pick guarantees we get a guy in that 2nd ledge.

Only scenario where we trade down is if it comes to our pick, and there are more than 1 of the players in our 2nd ledge still on the board. It's possible... but highly unlikely, assuming that 2 of the 3 in that ledge are Dubois + Tkachuk.

I want to re-visit this 2 ledges of 3 theory... Really curious about that 2nd ledge. Dubois and Tkachuk seem no-brainers, and I really don't believe Nylander is the other one. Is it Brown, if you look at the Button connection and Brown being so high on Craig's list? Is it a given that they/we like Dubois and Tkachuk?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

so i must say that this past season has been such a forgettable one.... The hockey quality was quite poor for most of the season, and the worst season we've seen since embarking on this "rebuild" journey as far as the effort, earned never given, perspective go.

Then to be a bottom 5 team yet be drafting outside the top5 is just the cherry on top... ugh.

sorry for the rant, just needed to get it off my chest.

Yah, Flames just had no luck. If you think about it, both sides of the "tanking" debate lost ha ha. The team that finished ahead of them, and the team that finished behind them won top 3. So you can argue either way, and it would still not work out for the Flames this season. Ah well, that's how the cookie crumbles I guess.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I want to re-visit this 2 ledges of 3 theory... Really curious about that 2nd ledge. Dubois and Tkachuk seem no-brainers, and I really don't believe Nylander is the other one. Is it Brown, if you look at the Button connection and Brown being so high on Craig's list? Is it a given that they/we like Dubois and Tkachuk?

I think there is something there in Brown. A 6'6 playmaking centre would be nice and he seems to have a really good hockey IQ. He could even end up being 6'8 or bigger by the time he is done growing. That would be insane if he turned out to be a top 6 centre.

[Toonage]

So is Logan Brown this year's Nick Ritchie?

[Demetric]

Button is really pushing that this guy is top 5

[Ashasx]

I think size is a benefit to a point. At certain sizes, I think it becomes a detriment.

There aren't many 6'6"+ forwards playing in the top 6 for teams in this league. And I don't really think a player like Bjugstad is worth a 6th overall pick.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So is Logan Brown this year's Nick Ritchie?

I don't see any similarity. What makes you want to make the comparison?

Brown is a 6'6 playmaking centre

Ritchie is a 6'2 powerforward winger who loves to throw hits

Different positions, different styles