[News] Flames to pick 6th in 2016 draft

[Da_Chief]

I think Dubois, Tkachuk, Nylander will all end up in Western Canada. The debate can then go on for few years.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by JohnnyT

I think we'll get a really good player at 6 whether it is Dubois, Thachuk, Nylander, etc.

Honestly the best part about the draft lottery is that none of the top 3 are in the pacific and two are in the east. Could have gone much worse for the Flames.

From an intrigue perspective six is the best spot especially given that we will get one of the players the flames have ranked 4-6. Consider that if we finished 1-3 our selection would have been a slam dunk and no discussion. We couldn't finish 4 and had we held at 5 it would have been either tkachuk or Dubois, whoever fell to us. But picking 6 actually generates more discussion as to who the mystery 6th man on the list is and various scenarios depending on who gets picked ahead of us. Had we picked 1-5, the table would have been already set. But at 6 there will be continued discussion and dialogue for the next 8 weeks.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Edmonton and Vancouver will not trade their first round draft pick to Calgary except if they have to dangle one of their top young defenseman TJ Brodie or Hamilton + 1st pick.

You think the price to move up from 6th to 4th or 5th is Brodie or Hamilton?
Wow, draft picks are overrated.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Jacks

You think the price to move up from 6th to 4th or 5th is Brodie or Hamilton?
Wow, draft picks are overrated.

I doubt that would be even close to the price. But yep, they say once you use a draft pick the value of the asset is cut by quite a bit.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Just in case anyone is feeling bummed, don't worry you aren't as hilariously bitter as this Montreal reporter. Conspiracy theory and accusations of tanking in the same article.

Why would the NHL want to arrange the result? Sure, Rogers paid a bazillion dollars for the broadcast rights. Yeah, the ratings for the network’s game telecasts are down there where the submarines roam, so Rogers is taking a bath on its NHL investment.

And yes, the Toronto Maple Leafs are the linchpin of that whole broadcast deal and they’ve been rancid since around 1967. But rig the draft so that the NHL’s pet franchise gets a crack at the top pick? Only a greedy, money-obsessed sports league would even … oh, never mind.

What is more troublesome than the possibility that the NHL might have rigged the lottery is the process that brought us to this point: Blatant, persistent tanking is fatal to a sports league. Any league. The players on the ice may be trying hard, but when management has already ensured failure by shipping out most of their high-priced players, that’s tanking.

That’s what the Toronto Maple Leafs did this year: they tanked. That Brendan Shanahan is being praised for tanking is so mind-bending, we won’t even go there. Somehow, even with the lottery percentages altered to give the league’s worst team only a 20 per cent shot at the top pick, the Leafs still beat 5-to-1 odds to waltz away with the chance to draft Auston Matthews.

The lesson? Tanking pays. The way to end it? Give all 14 non-playoff teams equal weight in the lottery. No team is going to tank for a chance to draft 14th.

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/ja...ering-over-nhl

[Krynn]

I hope Dubois is pass over so we can grab him.I'm still not sure of tkachuk

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Just in case anyone is feeling bummed, don't worry you aren't as hilariously bitter as this Montreal reporter. Conspiracy theory and accusations of tanking in the same article.




http://montrealgazette.com/sports/ja...ering-over-nhl

Thats some serious tin foil stuff going on there s he needs to explain the last decade of results if "rigging" the draft is a thing. Hilarious.

here is tidbit also from that article that i found interesting though...

On the other hand, here’s one for you: Since Mike Modano was drafted No. 1 overall in 1988, 27 players, beginning with Mats Sundin, have been taken in the top spot. Among those 27 players, they have won only five Stanley Cups: Patrick Kane has three with the Blackhawks, Vinnie Lecavalier won once, and Sidney Crosby and Marc-André Fleury shared one with Pittsburgh.

That’s it. Five Stanley Cups — and one guy has three of them, so 23 top picks never got a sniff of the champagne. So after all the tanking, the controversy, the hype, the buildup that makes every top pick sound like Bobby Orr — the truth is that except in rare years when a player like Connor McDavid is available, it’s all a lot of lukewarm air

[Azure]

It wasn't rigged. Too many reputations on the line for that.

But I agree on the tanking part. Toronto did tank, and it is pretty sad that their tanking got them the 1st pick.

That being said, Colorado tanked too, and its not going so well for them.

[activeStick]

Realistically, which teams are willing to move a defenceman to Edmonton for the 4th overall? St. Louis with Shattenkirk, anyone else? Can't be too many teams looking to trade a top 4... Islanders too with Hamonic.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Thats some serious tin foil stuff going on there s he needs to explain the last decade of results if "rigging" the draft is a thing. Hilarious.

here is tidbit also from that article that i found interesting though...

That's a bizarre stat. While top 3 picks seem to be very helpful in winning a cup, the top pick doesn't seem to be as helpful. The reverse of that is that 4 of the last 7 cup winners had a first overall pick on the team

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Realistically, which teams are willing to move a defenceman to Edmonton for the 4th overall? St. Louis with Shattenkirk, anyone else? Can't be too many teams looking to trade a top 4... Islanders too with Hamonic.

Vatanen from Anaheim and Brodin from Minnesota would be some other names in addition to the above. Maybe pk as part of a package.

[Krynn]

I have been saying for years that what the League needs to do is ever team gets one ball with there logo on it and it goes in to the machine to mixem up then pick all of the picks.that way everyone gets the same odds. Hell I wouldn't be to upset if they included all the playoff teams ecept the Cup winner. My other idea is non playoff teams get 2 balls playoff teams gets one .but after the top 3 picks are picked then the playoffs teams move to there regular order of picking when each is eliminated then they just keep picking the non playoff orders. But It must be done live on TV by an Reaparable company

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Vatanen from Anaheim and Brodin from Minnesota would be some other names in addition to the above. Maybe pk as part of a package.

50/50 the oilers hang on to the pick.

One way or another they will add a d,or 2, who can play top 4 next year.

[H2SO4(aq)]

so is it even possible to trade to 2/3?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

so is it even possible to trade to 2/3?

Possible? Sure.

It's not going to happen though.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Realistically, which teams are willing to move a defenceman to Edmonton for the 4th overall? St. Louis with Shattenkirk, anyone else? Can't be too many teams looking to trade a top 4... Islanders too with Hamonic.

Thats IMO the most likely deal....Isles would jump at that return even though they would much rather hang on to the player. Circumstances dictate otherwise however.

No idea why the Blues would deal Shattenkirk, he has been awesome for them, though he did struggle a wee bit this year.

[kn]

No one is moving into #2 or #3. I wouldn't listen to Calgary if I was Winnipeg or Columbus unless Monahan was included.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by kn

No one is moving into #2 or #3. I wouldn't listen to Calgary if I was Winnipeg or Columbus unless Monahan was included.

I was just thinking that!

Basically, it's a No-Go then.

[AC]

Yep, I think the odds of #1-3 being traded are virtually zero given the teams picking at those spots.

Edmonton at #4 however seems like a very likely trade given their clear-cut need on D, the impending expansion draft forcing teams to likely lose their #4 D, and the draft rankings as they are.

As for teams that I think might be interested, I think the expansion draft is going to be a big catalyst. Several teams will be exposing quality defenemen by default, so trading one now for a top pick might be a no-brainer.

ANA: Bieksa has a NMC?! Even still they have Fowler, Vatanen, Lindholm, and Despres. Vatanen and Lindholm are going to get some big raises here, plus they'll obviously be looking for a shakeup this summer.

FLA: Kulikov, Gudbranson, Petrovic, and Ekblad.

MIN: Suter, Spurgeon (NMC), Brodin, Scandella, Dumba. Yikes 5 D they'd like to protect.

NSH: Weber, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm. The team I think using the 8 skater exemption option makes the most sense for given their drop-off at F.

NYI: Boychuk, Leddy, Hamonic, Hickey, De Haan, Pulock. Plus Hamonic's desire to go to Western Canada, and their trade history with Edmonton... seems like a perfect fit.

NYR: Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, Klein. Probably just expose Klein.
SJ: Burns, Martin, Vlasic, Braun, Dillon. Another team with 5 worth protecting.

STL: Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester, Shattenkirk, Parayko. Do they just expose and lose Bouwmeester?

WSH: Niskanen, Carlson, Alzner, Orlov.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Jacks

You think the price to move up from 6th to 4th or 5th is Brodie or Hamilton?
Wow, draft picks are overrated.

Sweet baby jebus... Brodie gets either pick 4 or 5 outright...and EDM/VAN adds...and they'd be happy to do it, no question