[News] Proposed expansion draft rules. Expansion decision expected before 2016 draft.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Par

Do we know if Gillies is expemt from the expansion?

Even if he's not it's not a big worry... there are a bunch of goalies that LV would likely grab before him.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

I hope that is gone, could be very difficult for some teams, including the Flames

Naw, it'd be pretty easy...

25% of this years projected cap is 18.5M. At full protection the team is protecting 11 guys. Even league minimum fills up most of that 18.5 and the overpaid depth fills out the rest.

The 25% isn't a worry if it sticks around.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It would be a complete farce, no matter what my understanding of contract law is.

This is because the Flames would be forced to protect a player that they wouldn't be able to use the following season. That's absurd.

How is it any more absurd than a pending UFA having to waive their NMC to have their UFA rights traded after the season but before their contract expires?

[Vinny01]

Will the Flames be forced to protect Wideman because of his NMC and the fact his contract is valid through July 1 2017?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Gillies would be exempt. 2nd year pro next season.

It depends how they calculate years pro, he has burned 2 of 3 years on his ELC already. So theoretically he could be considered a 3rd year pro.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Naw, it'd be pretty easy...

25% of this years projected cap is 18.5M. At full protection the team is protecting 11 guys. Even league minimum fills up most of that 18.5 and the overpaid depth fills out the rest.

The 25% isn't a worry if it sticks around.

Well it depends on how they define it...some like Wideman, Engelland, Smid, Raymond may not be eligible to be left off because there contracts would have already expired...
So how do we get to 18 million without them?
those extra 12 unprotected players will all be around 1 mill each wont they?
Stajan and Bouma contracts help...
Anyway, until the rules are clarified I don't think its a given that it will be easy to fill out the rest of that lineup with 18 million.

[Alberta_Beef]

I'm pretty sure you have to expose 25% of your cap, not 25% of the limit. So if a team had $60 million in cap used, they would have to protect $15 million. But that appears to be scrapped anyways.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

It depends how they calculate years pro, he has burned 2 of 3 years on his ELC already. So theoretically he could be considered a 3rd year pro.

He didn't play in the first year of his ELC. According to the CBA's rules for calculating years pro, that year doesn't count.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's all just speculation.



But it would be foolish to speculate any view that is contrary to Alberta Beef's view.

He's just mad that Earl dumped him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think the concerns about Wideman are still premature. I think he will not possibly have as bad a season this year as he did last year, and could be a tradable commodity come the TD.

There is still lots of time for the Flames to work with, which really makes this situation relatively unproblematic.

Is he going to be trade able if any team that picks him up will be forced to protect him?

[Par]

Some questions that I have:

Will Quebec City get a expansion team or will it just be Las Vegas? If no, why would Quebec City not get a expansion?

Who does the Calgary Flames protect in the expansion draft? Dennis Wideman may be the only problem the Flames have(a very small problem, if a problem at all), other than that, there are no issues, so, who do the Flames protect from the expansion draft?

[Par]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is he going to be trade able if any team that picks him up will be forced to protect him?

No, the answer to your question is no, the solution to you question is, buy him out(if it comes to that).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

His contract likely won't expire before the expansion draft as it's incredibly likely the expansion draft happens BEFORE the entry draft and free agency so teams can make plans. Pending UFAs will likely need to be protected, just as you can trade their rights in the off-season prior to free agency. Hopefully that's not the case...but to me, this means that Wideman will have to be protected and likely submarines any hopes of trading for him as no team will want to lock up a protected spot on him!

No they won't. It is pretty clear that the contracts with NMC will be enforced for the upcoming season, not the prior one. So Wideman would not count. In SJ Thornton, Marleau, and Burns also would not be forced.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Will the Flames be forced to protect Wideman because of his NMC and the fact his contract is valid through July 1 2017?

Worth buying him out for that reason alone.

[Roof-Daddy]

Columbus:

Dubinsky
Foligno
Clarkson
Hartnell

Those 4 forwards have NMC's

Then on D, Tyutin has an NMC so assuming they protect Jones and Murray with Tyutin, they'd have to expose:

Jack Johnson
David Savard

Also, they can't go 4-4-1 without exposing Saad and Atkinson because of the 4 forwards I already mentioned.

Yikes.

[cannon7]

For a player with an NMC in the last year of their contract, why wouldn't they waive the NMC at that point? Don't see why an NMC would want to harm the team that gave them the NMC in the first place, although there are rumors that there's bad blood between Wideman and the Flames. Even so, waiving the NMC doesn't mean much if they're going to be come a UFA anyway. Gotta think that an NMC with an expiring contract is exempt from being automatically protected, that just doesn't make much sense.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's all just speculation.

But it would be foolish to speculate any view that is contrary to Alberta Beef's view.

Please, NHL contracts are what they are, I don't write them. What kind of moron would just assume that will be ignored when it never has before?

[cam_wmh]

We need more posters asking questions, that were both asked & answered within the last couple pages.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Par

Some questions that I have:

Will Quebec City get a expansion team or will it just be Las Vegas? If no, why would Quebec City not get a expansion?

I have a feeling that Quebec will get a relocation and that the NHL is holding out on team 32 for Seattle when they finally get an NBA team back. Pure speculation though.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Please, NHL contracts are what they are, I don't write them. What kind of moron would just assume that will be ignored when it never has before?

Because this is a new, unique situation. Things won't shake out the same as the last expansion draft because the contract landscape of the NHL is wildly different. That's basic stuff.

Just ask yourself the easy questions: Who benefits from UFAs with NMC being protected? Literally nobody.

Not the NHL, not NHL teams, not a single player.

Everyone benefits from UFAs not having their NMC honoured. The NHL benefits, the teams benefit, the players benefit. More veterans up for movement, teams protect players they like, the players get lengthy negotiations with two teams before the open negotiation period begins.