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Parallex · 04-29-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LanceUppercut

And the Blue Jackets will have to protect Clarkson? Wow..

The Leafs have to protect Horton. HaHa.

OMG... The 'Yotes might have to protect Pronger! (Not really he'll retire before that happens).

Roof-Daddy · 04-29-2016, 10:16 AM

Prongers contract expires after next season.

SuperMatt18 · 04-29-2016, 10:17 AM

A really big one will end up being Toby Enstrom of the Jets as well - he has a full NMC.

Could mean one of Trouba, Byfuglien, or Myers have to be left unprotected if Enstrom isn't traded before then.

Same thing with the Oilers. They have Sekera who has a NMC - and they likely will want to protect Nurse/Klefbom. So if they did go out and sign or trade for another top 4 d-man this season then they risk losing one of them next year in the expansion draft (haha stupid Oilers).

Tampa could be in a tough spot too since they will have to protect Callahan and Flippula.

Roof-Daddy · 04-29-2016, 10:18 AM

The Sedins will have to be protected though.

edslunch · 04-29-2016, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire

What about no-moves on pending UFAs? I need to know this so I can sleep well that Wideman won't be an issue.

If they are forced to protect him they can easily buy him out instead for a one month penalty.

TheScorpion · 04-29-2016, 10:19 AM

What if you have more NMC's than protection spots?

*hops back into time machine, goes back to 2011*

Parallex · 04-29-2016, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

If they are forced to protect him they can easily buy him out instead for a one month penalty.

Unless he's hurt. Can't buy-out injured players.

edslunch · 04-29-2016, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

Unless he's hurt. Can't buy-out injured players.

Staple him to the bench after the trade deadline. If these really are the rules we may see some stupid stuff happening next year

SuperMatt18 · 04-29-2016, 10:25 AM

Yikes for Columbus.

They have Dubinsky, Clarkson, Foligno, and Hartnell all with NMCs that will need to be honored.

Means they can only protect 3 of Saad, Jenner, Atkinson, Wenberg, or Karlsson.

Plus Fedor Tytun has a NMC so means only 2 more d-men get to be protected (likely Jones and Murray).

TheScorpion · 04-29-2016, 10:26 AM

^ NTC's don't count.

SuperMatt18 · 04-29-2016, 10:26 AM

The NMC clause rule when combined with only being able to protect 3-dmen is going to make it tough on some teams - this expansion team might end up with a pretty decent d-core.

SuperMatt18 · 04-29-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

^ NTC's don't count.

I know - those are all NMCs just had Tytuin listed wrong in my post.

Another team that it won't make sense to improve the d-core for this year is the Blackhawks - Keith, Seabrook, & Hjalmarrson all have NMCs - so no worth spending assets to improve the backend only to have to leave him unprotected.

Enoch Root · 04-29-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The NMC clause rule when combined with only being able to protect 3-dmen is going to make it tough on some teams - this expansion team might end up with a pretty decent d-core.

Especially if it is a one-team expansion.

Usually it is at least 2 teams, if not more, and they have to fight over scraps.

If it's one team, no pressure or tough choices at all, just grab the best available player from each team.

They will likely get a pretty good D, great goaltending, and more than a few decent prospects.

Not to mention, they may haul in a few draft picks.

I guess $500M still gets you something.

burnitdown · 04-29-2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The only player on the Flames with an NMC is Wideman, and his contract will expire before an expansion draft.

His contract likely won't expire before the expansion draft as it's incredibly likely the expansion draft happens BEFORE the entry draft and free agency so teams can make plans. Pending UFAs will likely need to be protected, just as you can trade their rights in the off-season prior to free agency. Hopefully that's not the case...but to me, this means that Wideman will have to be protected and likely submarines any hopes of trading for him as no team will want to lock up a protected spot on him!

Enoch Root · 04-29-2016, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by burnitdown

His contract likely won't expire before the expansion draft as it's incredibly likely the expansion draft happens BEFORE the entry draft and free agency so teams can make plans. Pending UFAs will likely need to be protected, just as you can trade their rights in the off-season prior to free agency. Hopefully that's not the case...but to me, this means that Wideman will have to be protected and likely submarines any hopes of trading for him as no team will want to lock up a protected spot on him!

First of all, it's a big assumption to assume he will have to be protected. But let's make that assumption for argument's sake.

That would mean:

1) that it would be all but impossible to trade him

2) but it would tip the scales to making a buyout sensible.

Right now, I am completely against a buyout. However, if he will have to be protected (again, we don't know that yet) then a buyout becomes much more compelling IMO.

Would rather have the cap hit for another year than expose another player that we don't want to expose

bigrangy · 04-29-2016, 10:40 AM

If Wideman needs to be protected in an expansion draft, he will be bought out. 100% no doubt about it. No team will want him, and you know he's not going to be protected over the big 3.

burnitdown · 04-29-2016, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bigrangy

If Wideman needs to be protected in an expansion draft, he will be bought out. 100% no doubt about it. No team will want him, and you know he's not going to be protected over the big 3.

Correct me if I'm wrong - but are buy-outs only allowed during a designated period at the start of the season (pending arbitration cases)? Would we have to buy-out Wideman this summer or can we do it anytime during the year?

***assuming you have to protect pending UFAs

CMPunk · 04-29-2016, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by burnitdown

Correct me if I'm wrong - but are buy-outs only allowed during a designated period at the start of the season (pending arbitration cases)? Would we have to buy-out Wideman this summer or can we do it anytime during the year?

***assuming you have to protect pending UFAs

Summer only

Roof-Daddy · 04-29-2016, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by burnitdown

His contract likely won't expire before the expansion draft as it's incredibly likely the expansion draft happens BEFORE the entry draft and free agency so teams can make plans. Pending UFAs will likely need to be protected, just as you can trade their rights in the off-season prior to free agency. Hopefully that's not the case...but to me, this means that Wideman will have to be protected and likely submarines any hopes of trading for him as no team will want to lock up a protected spot on him!

He will be a pending UFA. No team is going to have protect a pending UFA from an expansion draft.

burnitdown · 04-29-2016, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He will be a pending UFA. No team is going to have protect a pending UFA from an expansion draft.

Why not? You still hold their rights to negotiate right up until the start of the next season. That has value as you can trade those rights. Only makes sense you have to protect those rights if you want to keep them.

No team will want to protect a pending UFA...but they might not have a choice if they have a NMC.