[Trade] Hudler traded to Florida for 2016 2nd + 2018 4th round picks

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Itse

I don't care that much about ricardodw one way or the other, which is why I don't mind having him around. I don't even have him on ignore, like I have some other regulars. I'm perfectly capable of ignoring him when I feel like it and responding when I feel like responding.

But when people keep turning threads into ricardodw threads, that's really annoying. And that's not on ricardodw. That's on other people being unable to act like adults around people who they don't like or agree with.

Just generally, don't talk crap about other posters. It's just distracting and serves no real purpose. I don't come to this board to talk about ricardodw.

Let me say that again

ricardodw
bugs me much less than
People who want to talk with ricardodw even when they think he's being an idiot
bug me much less than
people who constantly want to talk ABOUT ricardodw.

It's tough to ignore any poster who continually derails multiple threads with the same persistent narrative. And one that is extremely hard to follow at that.

That said, I mostly ignore it, and I agree that everyone piling on is almost as annoying.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Hudler was not the difference maker that the Panthers were looking for.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think the issue is that 90% of the time rentals don't really pay off, and that isn't new just this season either.

I can't really recall a rental that truly pays dividends for a team and often it is better for the team selling (Forsberg for Erat anyone? http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/t...aborik-bishop/)

Stall has been poor, Ladd has been average, Stempniak didn't work out for the Bruins, Boedker was no good for the Avs, Versteeg and the Kings are out, and the list goes on.

Really the best two moves have likely been McGinn & Russell. May throw Polak and Weise in there too.

It's less of a Calgary Flames problem, and more of a maybe we should get a rental at all problem.

There are more if you take the UFA's that had value that the teams kept.... rather than traded: Okposo and Nielson are basically rentals for the Islanders, Backes for the Blues, Perron in Ana

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There are more if you take the UFA's that had value that the teams kept.... rather than traded: Okposo and Nielson are basically rentals for the Islanders, Backes for the Blues, Perron in Ana

No, they not "basically rentals". Especially the two Islanders players.

You're taking the accepted definition of what a rental player is, throwing that definition on the ground, then squeezing out a warm Cleveland Steamer all over it.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There are more if you take the UFA's that had value that the teams kept.... rather than traded: Okposo and Nielson are basically rentals for the Islanders, Backes for the Blues, Perron in Ana

For sure, rentals start to work out way more often if you start to factor in players that are not traded for as rentals and no assets are given up to acquire and are already on th roster.

[SuperMatt18]

And that you know the players are already a fit and are contributing to your team.

Glencross is the perfect example of how to handle a rental. Flames were in a playoff position and still moved him as a rental, because they knew it was no longer a fit or contributing to the team in a meaningful way.

Should have been no surprise that he went to Washington and continued to not contribute.

The rentals that you mentioned were not moved because they were solid contributors, and they cost nothing to acquire so you might as well keep them.

[Enoch Root]

So the Flames traded 3 players at the deadline...

Russell has worked out well in Dallas.

Jones has worked out well in Minnesota.

And Hudler has been a flop in Florida.

Considering that many deadline rentals struggle with their new team due to the short window involved, I would say things worked out fairly well for the most part.

Oh, and yes I think Hudler is going to get less this summer than he expected. Not because he hasn't fit in with Florida, but because that has been the recent trend for guys that are slowing down.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Agreed with most of that, Itse, but people aren't turning threads into ricardodw threads, ricardodw is turning these threads into ricardodw threads.

Well, obviously that's not how I see it.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Good gravy. Do you actually believe this?

mmmm....gravy.

[sun]

This thread is great for business. Look at all the new posts!

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by bax

"Well looks like Backlund provides us or a different team more value than he does for you! Especially with your obscure evaluation of only focusing on what past Flames players have done. Thanks for the interest, but we will look elsewhere"

And that's how the Cammy trade went down.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Agreed with most of that, Itse, but people aren't turning threads into ricardodw threads, ricardodw is turning these threads into ricardodw threads.

Exactly. It's just like when puckluck would turn threads into puckluck threads, and moon would turn threads into moon threads

Posters like them don't seem to realize it's not their opinion we have a problem with, it's how they deliver those opinions

[bax]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

And that's how the Cammy trade went down.

Cammaleri didn't get traded because of the entire Vanek fiasco. Each deadline has different prices. I can not honestly believe that you and a couple other posters actually believe that Hudler's average performance as a panther will hurt the Flames in future deadline deals. So silly

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There are more if you take the UFA's that had value that the teams kept.... rather than traded: Okposo and Nielson are basically rentals for the Islanders, Backes for the Blues, Perron in Ana

This.....is comedic genius. I have been reading you wrong all along.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by bax

Cammaleri didn't get traded because of the entire Vanek fiasco. Each deadline has different prices. I can not honestly believe that you and a couple other posters actually believe that Hudler's average performance as a panther will hurt the Flames in future deadline deals. So silly

Actually I said it was unlikely that Hudler's performance would not affect the Flames future trade values. But I also said it wasn't impossible. I try not to deal with absolutes as anything can happen in the hockey world. GMs can even not make trades due to pettiness (Hamilton to Flames instead of Oilers).

Burke also said he was offered a pick for Cammy but didn't want to look desperate for future trades. So did the Flames overvalue Cammy at the time? Everyone has their own opinion on that.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

This narrative is getting weird already. Why would other teams avoid the Flames in future dealings at all? If they want the player they'll attempt to acquire them. Treliving is a tough negotiator, but that doesn't mean he's extortive in his demand for a return. All he's done is establish that he has a hard bottom line value that he's looking for, and doesn't move too much from that bottom line.

He's stated that his strategy is to assess the market exhaustively, determine value for the asset, and then attempt to secure that value or come very close to it. It's not like he's creating his own market, he's just maximizing what he can get in the current state of the market.

The man is shrewd, not some evil genius.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

No, they not "basically rentals". Especially the two Islanders players.

You're taking the accepted definition of what a rental player is, throwing that definition on the ground, then squeezing out a warm Cleveland Steamer all over it.

Hey just following the definition set out by a NHL GM.

Boston kept Loui Eriksson who would have had more value in a trade than Hudler or Russell . The reason Boston GM Sweeney gave was that Eriksson was their own playoff rental. link

At the trading deadline Boston was 1 pt ahead of the Islanders. What is the difference between the NYI keeping UFA's that they are not likely to sign and Boston keeping Eriksson as their own rental player?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hey just following the definition set out by a NHL GM.

Boston kept Loui Eriksson who would have had more value in a trade than Hudler or Russell . The reason Boston GM Sweeney gave was that Eriksson was their own playoff rental. link

At the trading deadline Boston was 1 pt ahead of the Islanders. What is the difference between the NYI keeping UFA's that they are not likely to sign and Boston keeping Eriksson as their own rental player?

And like Dreger said at the end of that tweet in your link. Interesting opinion by Sweeny there.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hey just following the definition set out by a NHL GM.

Boston kept Loui Eriksson who would have had more value in a trade than Hudler or Russell . The reason Boston GM Sweeney gave was that Eriksson was their own playoff rental. link

At the trading deadline Boston was 1 pt ahead of the Islanders. What is the difference between the NYI keeping UFA's that they are not likely to sign and Boston keeping Eriksson as their own rental player?

it's Don Sweeney, the guy who shipped out a 22 year potential franchise defenseman for a few draft picks.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Exactly. It's just like when puckluck would turn threads into puckluck threads, and moon would turn threads into moon threads

Posters like them don't seem to realize it's not their opinion we have a problem with, it's how they deliver those opinions

Yet somehow nothing changes when the "problem posters" go away.

[Hackey]

Personally I find ricardo entertaining that he can get some of you so worked up. He is the master troll without trying. Salute.