Predict the 2016/2017 Flames Starting Lineup

[icecube]

If you don't have Auston Matthews in the starting lineup then you're doing it wrong.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Laine is Lw. Its kind of ocd seeing everyone put him rw

Lots of sites list him as RW (but I don't know at all). But for sure he shoots right, so there's that.

[Enoch Root]

If we can get a 2/3 pick...

Gaudreau - Monahan - Laine/Puljujarvi
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Pribyl (sheltered, offensive line)
Bouma - Backlund - Frolik (hard minutes, defensive line)
Ferland - Stajan - Hathaway (wrecking ball, energy line with Colborne in for Stajan regularly)
Colborne #13 and filling in wherever injuries occur
Bollig #14 until moved, then Grant or Jooris

Brodie - Hamilton
Giordano - Wideman
Jokipakka - Engelland
Nakladal

until Wideman is moved, then Jokipakka and Nakladal each slide up one and Wotherspoon up

Reimer (though I hope not)
Ortio

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lots of sites list him as RW (but I don't know at all). But for sure he shoots right, so there's that.

He's a right shot but prefers LW.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If we can get a 2/3 pick...

Gaudreau - Monahan - Laine/Puljujarvi
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Pribyl (sheltered, offensive line)
Bouma - Backlund - Frolik (hard minutes, defensive line)
Ferland - Stajan - Hathaway (wrecking ball, energy line with Colborne in for Stajan regularly)
Colborne #13 and filling in wherever injuries occur
Bollig #14 until moved, then Grant or Jooris

Brodie - Hamilton
Giordano - Wideman
Jokipakka - Engelland
Nakladal

until Wideman is moved, then Jokipakka and Nakladal each slide up one and Wotherspoon up

Reimer (though I hope not)
Ortio

Colborne and his 40 points get relegated to the 13th F spot and spot duty?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by heep223

Colborne and his 40 points get relegated to the 13th F spot and spot duty?

1) how many games are there no injuries in the lineup (often zero)

2) It is a transition year.

3) My lineup included our 1st round pick, Shinkaruk, Pribyl, and Hathaway. Pretty much a 100% chance that they don't all work out, at least immediately.

I put him 13th because he is versatile.

The season-starting lineup usually lasts one game before it changes. So probably no reason to sweat it too much.

[Enoch Root]

Also, I would have Colborne centre the 4th line over Stajan, but left Stajan there out of respect.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also, I would have Colborne centre the 4th line over Stajan, but left Stajan there out of respect.

Colborne would have more value in a trade, instead of paying him $2.5 - $3 million per season to be the 13th forward or on the 4th line.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Fire

Colborne would have more value in a trade, instead of paying him $2.5 - $3 million per season to be the 13th forward or on the 4th line.

Assuming BT doesn't like the trade market for a goalie, and assuming the Stars win their first 2 rounds...

Colborne and our second 1st could net you a pretty good forward I imagine.

[MarkGio]

My wet dream

1) Trade Wideman @50% retained + Backlund + Wotherspoon to Islanders for Hamonic
2) Trade Dallas 1st/2nd pick + Jooris for Nishuskin
3) Draft Matthews/Laine
4) Sign Reimer for 2 years

Gaudreau - Monahan - Matthews
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Colborne
Frolik - Jankowski - Nishuskin
Bouma - Stajan - Ferland

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Jokipakka - Engelland

Reimer
Ortio

[Stormageddon]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

My wet dream

Reimer
Ortio

Easy to please

[flamesforcup]

Draft dubois
Trade wideman
Trade dallas 1st+colborne+? for nikushkin
sign reimer

Gaudreau-Monahan-nikushkin
Bouma-backlund-frolik
Ferland-bennett-prybil
Stajan-Grant-x

Brodie-Hamilton
Giordano-Nakladal
Jokipakka-Engellend

Reimer
Ramo

(This is assuming nakladal can take steps to fit into the top 4)
Man that LW looks weak.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

My wet dream

1) Trade Wideman @50% retained + Backlund + Wotherspoon to Islanders for Hamonic
2) Trade Dallas 1st/2nd pick + Jooris for Nishuskin
3) Draft Matthews/Laine
4) Sign Reimer for 2 years

Gaudreau - Monahan - Matthews
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Colborne
Frolik - Jankowski - Nishuskin
Bouma - Stajan - Ferland

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Jokipakka - Engelland

Reimer
Ortio

I like parts of this but I think it's an over payment for hamonic. Sub someone else going the other way for Backlund and it looks amazing.

[420since1974]

First, the assumptions:
1. The Flames best odds have them picking at # 6 in the draft (35.465%), that player will not be NHL ready.
2. Wideman and his $5.25M AAV ($6M actual) probably won't be moved until the TDL. He might waive his NMC to go to a play-off team.
3. The other 5 "unfavorable" contracts will be just as tough to move before they expire.
4. Historically, the Flames do not like retaining salary or buyouts.
5. After re-signing Colborne, Gaudreau, Jooris, Monahan, & Nakladal, there is only enough Cap Space for a $4M - $5M goalie.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Frolik
Colborne - Backlund - Bouma
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Hathaway
Ferland - Stajan (NTC) - Jooris
Bollig, Raymond (NTC)

Brodie - Hamilton
Giordano (NTC) - Wideman (NMC)
Joikpakka - Engelland
Nakladal
Smid on LTIR

$4M - $5M Goalie
Orito

Not real exciting, but the Flames will have plenty of Cap Space in 2017/2018 to acquire a Top 6 winger.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

RE: your assumptions

1. Probably a good bet. I do think there's a chance Tkachuk/Duvbois could step right but we probably shouldn't pencil them in
2. I think Wideman gets moved this offseason
3. What 5 unfavourable contracts? Engelland would be extremely easy to move. Veteran defensive defencemen are worth a lot more than the average fan thinks. Engelland's contract is very reasonable for his performance. Raymond and Smid would be hard to move. Wideman's contract is unfavourable for us but not necessarily for other teams. Don't really see any other unfavourable contracts, what five players are you talking about?
4. Treliving and Burke have gone on record saying they aren't philosophically opposed to retaining salary if it made sense
5. You can get what, 800-900k more free cap space by demoting Raymond

[Roof-Daddy]

I wonder how much it would take to sign Matt Martin?

You don't want to pay 4th liners too much obviously, but this guy would be a great addition.

6'3 215lbs, skates pretty good and hits, hits, HITS.

Martin - Grant - Hathaway would be a fantastic 4th line IMO.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I like parts of this but I think it's an over payment for hamonic. Sub someone else going the other way for Backlund and it looks amazing.

I don't think it's an over payment at all. I like Backlund, but this is his first 20 goal season. He's on a good contract if he can maintain that scoring pace, but Hamonic is a top 4 who can step into the top 2 anyday. He's also a rare style (RD shut down). Wotherspoon could be a LD-lite version, but no guarantees Wotherspoon will secure himself a position. To them Wideman at 50% retained is a right handed replacement on their blueline, but he's a pending free agent.

I doubt the Islanders would accept that anyways. Would you accept Lee + Mayfield + 33 year old Zidlicky for Dougie Hamilton?

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

RE: your assumptions

1. Probably a good bet. I do think there's a chance Tkachuk/Duvbois could step right but we probably shouldn't pencil them in
2. I think Wideman gets moved this offseason
3. What 5 unfavourable contracts? Engelland would be extremely easy to move. Veteran defensive defencemen are worth a lot more than the average fan thinks. Engelland's contract is very reasonable for his performance. Raymond and Smid would be hard to move. Wideman's contract is unfavourable for us but not necessarily for other teams. Don't really see any other unfavourable contracts, what five players are you talking about?
4. Treliving and Burke have gone on record saying they aren't philosophically opposed to retaining salary if it made sense
5. You can get what, 800-900k more free cap space by demoting Raymond

Probably Stajan, Raymond, Engelland, Wideman and Smid. That's 5 contracts that are hard to move. Wideman has a no movement clause and is overpaid by about 1.5 million. Smid and Raymond are not NHLers and Stajan is 2.5 million overpaid. Engelland is about 1 million overpaid. Since Bollig is still a 300K cap hit if he's buried in the minors, I think he would also qualify.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Ahhh Stajan, that's who I was forgetting for some reason

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 420since1974

First, the assumptions:
1. The Flames best odds have them picking at # 6 in the draft (35.465%), that player will not be NHL ready.
2. Wideman and his $5.25M AAV ($6M actual) probably won't be moved until the TDL. He might waive his NMC to go to a play-off team.
3. The other 5 "unfavorable" contracts will be just as tough to move before they expire.
4. Historically, the Flames do not like retaining salary or buyouts.
5. After re-signing Colborne, Gaudreau, Jooris, Monahan, & Nakladal, there is only enough Cap Space for a $4M - $5M goalie.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Frolik
Colborne - Backlund - Bouma
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Hathaway
Ferland - Stajan (NTC) - Jooris
Bollig, Raymond (NTC)

Brodie - Hamilton
Giordano (NTC) - Wideman (NMC)
Joikpakka - Engelland
Nakladal
Smid on LTIR

$4M - $5M Goalie
Orito


Not real exciting, but the Flames will have plenty of Cap Space in 2017/2018 to acquire a Top 6 winger.

Pretty much agree with what you are saying other than i think they will buyout someone this year. I think it will be Raymond. Like you said not a lot of money left and every bit helps for this year.

I will throw this out there, not that i think it will happen, but would flames consider buying out Wideman?

Wideman has a NMC and might not want to go to some of the destinations that need a d-man ( Edmonton). What if he wants to go to a cup favourite but they don't have the room even at 50% off? GM's are not going to do the flames any favours. IF they think the flames will buy him out they would just wait. Why pay $3 million, and an asset, for a guy you can get after being bought out for half the price?

Wideman has a bad last year of a contract. Not only big cap hit but even more money paid in actual life. Flames would save $4 million in cap room this year if they had to go this route. They would also have $2 million of cap space next year but they probably have more wiggle room next year.