If new reports pan out, it looks like Warner Bros. may be targeting "Suicide Squad" to lighten to tone of the growing DC movie-verse. Devin Faraci at BirthMoviesDeath has reportedly heard from a number of unnamed sources close to the film who have confirmed that "Suicide Squad" is undergoing reshoots right now that are specifically designed to add more humor to the film and lighten its tone.
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__________________ "In brightest day, in blackest night / No evil shall escape my sight / Let those who worship evil's might / Beware my power, Green Lantern's light!"
Haha I know who he is, but still found it to be an odd example!
Brett Wilson the only example of a fairly notable Calgarian I could think of that isn't Nenshi (who already wears glasses). Probably should have used Monohan in hindsight.
Regardless, my point is glasses do nothing. I greatly enjoy Superman and I can forgive most comic book things, but the glasses thing has always struck me as odd. I liked how in the Reeve movies his hair was different between the two characters, and he was a regular–sized man. Now that Superman is built like The Mountain and his hair doesn't change he sticks out.
Hrmm interesting, so if it so blatantly obvious then why are so many people viewing it that way? Including many posters on this board. I knew there was more to it than just the names but I don't think I fully appreciated the complexity of it all, I actually want to see that scene again now. I thought Affleck's reaction was great.
I am looking forward to seeing some fan edits.
For me it was difficult to link up bits of the story together, because the editing was so jarring. It felt like I was watching bits of other movies all slapped together. The imagery in the first scene was so different than the imagery in the spear scene that putting the two together was difficult. They should have done a shot similar to the pearl scene (or one of the other many inane bits of imagery they dwelled on) in the batman fight just before he goes to kill superman. That would have brought it out a little more.
It's a pretty neat idea to have Batman see his parents' killer in himself. I just didn't think they executed it in a way that made that idea apparent.
This coming from someone who really wanted to like the movie and actually did a little bit.
It's useless to argue things with people that fundamentally don't understand (and don't want to understand) what was happening.
Along similar lines, I've seen TONS of people say "What?! Batman shoots people with GUNS in this movie?!?" -- Yes, sort of -- but if you were paying attention and not looking for reasons to irrationally hate it, you'd have noticed that was during a post-apocalyptic vision of the future, where it makes sense that Batman has likely abandoned his previous morality. He doesn't shoot anybody with a gun in the actual, non-dream timeline of the movie (unless you count when he shoots the guys flamethrower tank, which he did to avert that scary future timeline).'
And also, to answer your question more directly, people just aren't very smart. I hadn't thought of it quite as in-depth as your post presented, but for an adult to analyze that scene with such elementary surface level thinking (Their moms have the same name! That's it!) shows they just aren't particularly bright.
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I'm with you. I've seen this argument made a bunch of times and I find it odd. I understand making the point to be funny, but to make it and have it be a serious complaint is strange. It's the same as the "Batman shoots people!" complaint... it's a dream sequence. That's also the scene where superman lasers a few people in half.
Didn't Batman shoot a bunch of people when he was trying to get the crate and he chases them in his Batmobile? I seem to remember thinking he'd for sure killed a whole bunch of those bad guys. Not all of them with guns mind you. Some would've died horrible deaths when their car whipped at a high velocity inverted onto another car and so on and so forth.
Didn't Batman shoot a bunch of people when he was trying to get the crate and he chases them in his Batmobile? I seem to remember thinking he'd for sure killed a whole bunch of those bad guys. Not all of them with guns mind you. Some would've died horrible deaths when their car whipped at a high velocity inverted onto another car and so on and so forth.
Batman uses the guns on his car to blow their cars with them still inside them.
I'm also pretty sure that in that scene where he busts through the floor to save Martha Kent, he grabs the guns off some of the bad guys and uses them to shoot other bad guys.
He definitely purposely blows that guys flame thrower tank up, killing him.
Batman definitely kills a lot of people in this film. Both in the present and the future. It's okay though...he's not an alien like Superman.
Batman uses the guns on his car to blow their cars with them still inside them.
I'm also pretty sure that in that scene where he busts through the floor to save Martha Kent, he grabs the guns off some of the bad guys and uses them to shoot other bad guys.
He definitely purposely blows that guys flame thrower tank up, killing him.
Batman definitely kills a lot of people in this film. Both in the present and the future. It's okay though...he's not an alien like Superman.
Ya but again I think we are missing a point here, Batman is jaded, look at his conversation with Alfred "20 years in Gotham how many good guys, how many stayed that way." He is one of the "good guys" in his mind, but he's changed, he didn't "stay that way."
This isn't the Batman we are used to this is whole new territory, we've got one Dark Knight arc to go off of on this and that is it, they are breaking new ground. But the pivotal part of the movie and I think what we are supposed to take away from all of this is that Superman saved Batman, he brought him back to the good side. Bruce says at the end he won't fail him in death like he did in life. He's going to work on getting back to that guy he was 20 years ago, the guy he compares to Superman. I'd have to re watch the warehouse scene but I am not sure if he actually shoots anyone in there, and if he does, is it to kill or to wound?
__________________ "In brightest day, in blackest night / No evil shall escape my sight / Let those who worship evil's might / Beware my power, Green Lantern's light!"
Batman's moral code is different at the beginning of this movie, and it's part of his awakening that he mentions at the end when talking with WW.
"I failed him in death.."
Batman, throughout 90% of this movie, isn't the Batman we know. It's a Batman that has lost Robin, has been at this for 20 years. He's vowing at the end of the movie to return to what he once was.
I don't think he ever actually shoots anyone in the real world. In the scene where he's saving Martha, he grabs someone's gun as they're shooting and directs the gun around the room (can't remember if he hits anyone). Though, moments later - he shoots the guy's fuel tank. No way that guy walks away from that explosion, so yeah - Bats definitely kills some people in this movie. Which is fitting with where he is as a character. He's fallen.
Batman's moral code is different at the beginning of this movie, and it's part of his awakening that he mentions at the end when talking with WW.
"I failed him in death.."
Batman, throughout 90% of this movie, isn't the Batman we know. It's a Batman that has lost Robin, has been at this for 20 years. He's vowing at the end of the movie to return to what he once was.
I don't think he ever actually shoots anyone in the real world. In the scene where he's saving Martha, he grabs someone's gun as they're shooting and directs the gun around the room (can't remember if he hits anyone). Though, moments later - he shoots the guy's fuel tank. No way that guy walks away from that explosion, so yeah - Bats definitely kills some people in this movie. Which is fitting with where he is as a character. He's fallen.
He literally machine guns down countless criminals during the entire movie, whether in the Batmobile or Batwing. He grapples a car full of people and crushes another while crumpling all the inhabitants to death.
You cannot come back from this, Batman cannot cross that line and come back from it. In no uncertain terms is this not a betrayal of the character. Not only that but it doesn't make sense. There is no way that in a universe where Batman casually kills, the Joker or any of his villans live.
There is not a single comic in Batman canon where he kills. Not a single one. It's a defining aspect of the character. Even in what I'm assuming is the only comic book Zach Snyder has ever read, The Dark Knight Returns, Bruce is adamant about not killing. It defines his story.
It's a complete betrayal of the character and this is the same garbage reasoning used when Superman killed Zod: "Oh he has to have killed someone to know he doesn't like killing". Bull.
Batman does not kill. If you have a Batman who's comfortable with killing, you may as well draw a skull on his chest and call him Frank Castle.
He literally machine guns down countless criminals during the entire movie, whether in the Batmobile or Batwing. He grapples a car full of people and crushes another while crumpling all the inhabitants to death.
You cannot come back from this, Batman cannot cross that line and come back from it. In no uncertain terms is this not a betrayal of the character. Not only that but it doesn't make sense. There is no way that in a universe where Batman casually kills, the Joker or any of his villans live.
There is not a single comic in Batman canon where he kills. Not a single one. It's a defining aspect of the character. Even in what I'm assuming is the only comic book Zach Snyder has ever read, The Dark Knight Returns, Bruce is adamant about not killing. It defines his story.
It's a complete betrayal of the character and this is the same garbage reasoning used when Superman killed Zod: "Oh he has to have killed someone to know he doesn't like killing". Bull.
Batman does not kill. If you have a Batman who's comfortable with killing, you may as well draw a skull on his chest and call him Frank Castle.
He literally machine guns down countless criminals during the entire movie, whether in the Batmobile or Batwing. He grapples a car full of people and crushes another while crumpling all the inhabitants to death.
You cannot come back from this, Batman cannot cross that line and come back from it. In no uncertain terms is this not a betrayal of the character. Not only that but it doesn't make sense. There is no way that in a universe where Batman casually kills, the Joker or any of his villans live.
There is not a single comic in Batman canon where he kills. Not a single one. It's a defining aspect of the character. Even in what I'm assuming is the only comic book Zach Snyder has ever read, The Dark Knight Returns, Bruce is adamant about not killing. It defines his story.
It's a complete betrayal of the character and this is the same garbage reasoning used when Superman killed Zod: "Oh he has to have killed someone to know he doesn't like killing". Bull.
Batman does not kill. If you have a Batman who's comfortable with killing, you may as well draw a skull on his chest and call him Frank Castle.
And purposely killed like ten people in the Tim Burton ones. And tried to machine gun down the Joker. But I guess that was pre-Internet outrage days.
No he didn't. There's one very ambiguous panel where he shoots the criminals gun after bursting through the wall, but in no way is it shown he outright killed anyone.
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And purposely killed like ten people in the Tim Burton ones. And tried to machine gun down the Joker. But I guess that was pre-Internet outrage days.
So? Im not discussing other movies, I'm talking about the actual source of the character.
