03-30-2016, 10:03 AM
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#141
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
CHL and NCAA are not the same, why are they treated the same?
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Because all parties concerned want "sameness" to the greatest extent possible not greater difference
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
And if you're suggesting changes then obviously the system doesn't work fine.
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I'm suggesting that there is nothing wrong with the amount of exclusivity provided. The change I suggested wasn't strictly in regards to NCAA players but in regards to draftee's in general (Erixon for instance). The level of compensation provided by the NHL isn't good enough.
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03-30-2016, 11:07 AM
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#143
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Originally Posted by Since1984
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Watch him go to Pittsburgh.
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03-30-2016, 11:09 AM
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#144
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Statement from Vesey's agent:
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03-30-2016, 11:14 AM
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#145
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Could Care Less
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I thought they said that they informed the Preds he wouldn't be signing a few days before the trade deadline.
Now it's "they were informed prior to the deadline that they should conduct their business as they saw fit, and that the potential of signing or not signing Vesey should not be a factor in their decision".
Pretty greasy if you ask me.
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03-30-2016, 11:15 AM
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#146
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Powerplay Quarterback
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There shouldn't be an option like this for Vesey in the first place. I feel bad for Nashville
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03-30-2016, 11:19 AM
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#147
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Agreed heep223. Saying "conduct business as usual" is different than "He will sign!"
If I was GM at the time, and that was the vague answer I got, I would have traded him for sure. It's not just about acquiring the another player instead of waiting for Vesey, it's about what they could have received in compensation for him if it was made clear to them he wouldn't be signing.
Honestly, I don't get bent out of shape when players use this option. As it stands, it's an available avenue for them, so using it is their right. Not being upfront with the team that drafted you and hoped you could help them in the post season is greasy on all fronts.
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03-30-2016, 11:19 AM
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#148
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by heep223
I thought they said that they informed the Preds he wouldn't be signing a few days before the trade deadline.
Now it's "they were informed prior to the deadline that they should conduct their business as they saw fit, and that the potential of signing or not signing Vesey should not be a factor in their decision".
Pretty greasy if you ask me.
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Yup, that first paragraph seems to contain a pretty big inconsistency. If they knew he wasn't going to sign, then how could that not factor in their decisions regarding the trade deadline? "Potential of signing or not signing", but they told him he wouldn't sign?
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03-30-2016, 11:52 AM
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#149
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Franchise Player
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I wonder if Boston will at least do the decent thing and trade a mid round pick for his rights, like the way Feaster did when Knight wouldn't sign with the Panthers.
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03-30-2016, 11:59 AM
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#150
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I wonder if Boston will at least do the decent thing and trade a mid round pick for his rights
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That sounds more like the stupid thing if they're sure enough that he'll sign with them.
It ain't show friends, it's show business.
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03-30-2016, 11:59 AM
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#151
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Franchise Player
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It's low from Vesey and his agent, but it's also dumb on the part of Poile. Your team is in a window, you're not making moves at the trade deadline because you're counting on inserting a raw rookie from the NCAA into your top 6?
Is there any wonder that team underachieves with that mindset?
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03-30-2016, 12:03 PM
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#152
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Parallex
That sounds more like the stupid thing if they're sure enough that he'll sign with them.
It ain't show friends, it's show business.
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It's beneficial for the player as well. If they get him signed now they can get him to their prospect development camp in the summer, get him working on things he should be working on, etc. Basically he gets off to a running start with the organization.
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03-30-2016, 12:07 PM
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#153
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Franchise Player
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Everyone's always so quick to take the side of the team in these things. Not sure why, amateur drafts are inherently unfair to the athletes. This player has a chance to escape that omniscient team control over his career and he's taking it.
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03-30-2016, 12:08 PM
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#154
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by nik-
It's low from Vesey and his agent, but it's also dumb on the part of Poile. Your team is in a window, you're not making moves at the trade deadline because you're counting on inserting a raw rookie from the NCAA into your top 6?
Is there any wonder that team underachieves with that mindset?
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You're right. It really makes them look small market. That's why they keep losing players.
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03-30-2016, 12:17 PM
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#155
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by saillias
Everyone's always so quick to take the side of the team in these things. Not sure why, amateur drafts are inherently unfair to the athletes. This player has a chance to escape that omniscient team control over his career and he's taking it.
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Yeah pretty much... I don't see why some old guy saying a teenagers name into a microphone 4 years ago is expected to install some actual obligation now.
When you get right down it the story is this... young man graduates from Harvard, doesn't take first job offer, expected to receive multiple other offers.
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03-30-2016, 12:27 PM
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#156
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Originally Posted by Parallex
Yeah pretty much... I don't see why some old guy saying a teenagers name into a microphone 4 years ago is expected to install some actual obligation now.
When you get right down it the story is this... young man graduates from Harvard, doesn't take first job offer, expected to receive multiple other offers.
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As a fan of a Western Canadian Prairie city, it should matter to you. If it wasn't for dispersal drafts the NHL would be ruled by the original 6 teams and perhaps some Californian teams. Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa would all be lucky to field teams of any quality.
This loop hole should be addressed.
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03-30-2016, 12:52 PM
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#157
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Resurrection
As a fan of a Western Canadian Prairie city, it should matter to you.
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Nothing to do with what I said (or the actual topic at hand). What does Jimmy Vesey owe anyone in the NHL? Nothin' (yet). Guy wanted his Ivy league degree (don't blame him for that one bit) now that he's set to graduate he wants to go work where he can get work that he wants to go to just like every other guy in his class. But what? He has to sign in Nashville because some guy who probably didn't even get out of his seat said his name four years ago? I don't ship that.
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03-30-2016, 12:59 PM
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#158
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by nik-
It's low from Vesey and his agent, but it's also dumb on the part of Poile. Your team is in a window, you're not making moves at the trade deadline because you're counting on inserting a raw rookie from the NCAA into your top 6?
Is there any wonder that team underachieves with that mindset?
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Maybe, but it looks like a large number of NHL executives thinks very highly of Vesey's NHL capabilities. Kreider was able to make a significant impact for the Rangers in the playoffs straight out of college.
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03-30-2016, 01:13 PM
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#159
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Statement from Vesey's agent:
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Meh. I trust what Nashville says over that. It makes no sense for them to lie about it. I can't see them being that unprofessional. It's more likely the agent is spinning the situation.
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03-30-2016, 01:18 PM
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#160
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Maybe, but it looks like a large number of NHL executives thinks very highly of Vesey's NHL capabilities. Kreider was able to make a significant impact for the Rangers in the playoffs straight out of college.
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Which is great, but when you're in your compete window that's a bonus if it happens. It's not something you plan around.
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