[Signing] Flames sign Jankowski to two yr ELC starting in 16/17. Will report to Stockton on ATO

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I hope it is not the match-ups because that limits Gaudreau's upside, ie the other coaches will go out of their way to get the match ups in Calgary.

So looking back, you said the first 49 games were similar to a college year for games played. In the those 49 games 24 were on the road and Johnny had 8G 12A for 20P. Then you said but the next 12 games were more than he was used to playing, 5 were on the road and he went 0/2/2.

Why did you ignore the final 19 games he played, 10 of which were on the road and we went 2/5/7? Was it because it didn't help prove your point?

Oh and then there is playoffs. 11 games, 6 on the road and he is 1/1/2.

[getbak]

10 of Jankowski's 40 points this season came on the powerplay (25%).


Let's look at the NHL's point leaders right now...

1. Kane: 32/94 = 34.0%
2. Benn: 27/85 = 31.8%
3. Crosby: 21/79 = 26.6%
4. Karlsson: 24/76 = 31.6%
5. Pavelski: 27/75 = 36.0%
6. Thornton: 25/74 = 33.8%
7. Seguin: 24/73 = 32.9%
8. Gaudreau: 18/73 = 24.7%
9. Kuznetsov: 16/73 = 21.9%
10. Burns: 28/71 = 39.4%

So, 8 of the top 10 in the NHL this season have more than 25% of their points on the Power Play... What a bunch of third-liners padding their stats.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Perhaps I'm out of the loop, but who is Lambert? Does he have some role in the hockey world outside of (not) being a fan?

Writes for PuckDaddy. Sometimes appears on Wyshynski's podcast, writes for FlamesNation, seems to have cred in the analytics community. Lives in Boston, the writing for FN happened because Kent Wilson or someone asked him to. And I think he just likes riling up Flames fans at this point.

[northcrunk]

What a great fundraiser it would be if Boomer faced off against Lambert in the ring.

[Jacks]

Good news!
Got a good feeling about this kid.

[dino7c]

Draft pick was made years ago by a guy who was fired...at this point its irrelevant who they could have gotten...Flames also got TJ Brodie and JG with fourth rounders, the entire league passed on those guys 3 times and some teams 4 times.

Live in the now...Flames have signed a good prospect, excited to see what he can do

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by saillias

Writes for PuckDaddy. Sometimes appears on Wyshynski's podcast, writes for FlamesNation, seems to have cred in the analytics community. Lives in Boston, the writing for FN happened because Kent Wilson or someone asked him to. And I think he just likes riling up Flames fans at this point.

so he is unemployed

[Fire]

Treliving impresses again by getting him to start his contract next season and thus forcing him to send down Shinkaruk/Poirier/etc to make room for him on the Flames.

Ideally you want him to play in the AHL the next couple of seasons with the occasional injury call-up and then for the 2018-19 season have him make the team full-time as Backlund's replacement.

It will be interesting to see how many points he can get during his first full season in the AHL. What are our expectations? 0.5 ppg?

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Nieuwendyk is one of the best rookies in NHL history. Johnny doesn't hold a candle to Joe's first 4 NHL seasons.

I'd argue against that. If you are looking at raw points than absolutely Joe wins, but if you look at relative points I think it is a different story.

Joe's first year he placed 17th overall in scoring and was 55% (92 vs 168)of the top scorer. Johnny placed 29th and was 74% (64 vs 87).

Second year Joe placed 31st at 41% (82 vs 199) and Johnny as of today is 8th and 78% (73 vs 94)

Joe's numbers get better when you take out guys named Mario and Wayne (70% of the third place guy and 53%) but overall vs the league I think Johnny has done a better job of keeping pace with the competition, making him a more impactful rookie (at least point production wise). Monahan's second and third year production compared to the league's best is more on par with Nieuwendyk (Monahan has 71% and 63%)

Nieuwendyk had a 51 goal rookie year, that is awesome, he was 5th overall in goal scoring, and he was a year younger than Johnny when he started so I am not taking anything away from him. But I think it is a closer competition and Johnny definitely holds a candle to him.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so he is unemployed

Nah he covers the NHL and college hockey for Yahoo Sports which they call "PuckDaddy" I think all the puckdaddies are employees.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That was my thought as well.

If this shakes out as reported by Mackenzie, that is another, in a long line of solid contract signings for Treliving. I know some people don't like his first few (Engelland, Raymond etc) but as discussed many times, there was a reason for those. Regardless, since then, it has been nothing but solid negotiating.

He is hard nosed and persistent. Just what you want in a negotiator.

As for Jankowski, I agree with the assessment that this shows a level of maturity and long-term thinking. The kid seems to have a head on his shoulders.

Not to raise the Feaster debate again, but he and Weisbrod focused on character during their tenure, and they sure came up with a lot of character kids.

It seemed they actually kept the ball rolling with what was identified as requirements in a potential prospect under the Sutter regime actually - at least according to Todd Button. The refinement of what the Flames require in a prospect was developed and started being implemented around the 2008 draft year. The only tidbit that I managed to find out about Weisbrod and what he added to the team was that he forced the scouting staff to overlap areas so they could get different opinions on the same players (which is a big thing actually) - but otherwise, it seems he didn't add anything new in terms of identifiable traits in potential draftees.

Feaster's biggest gift was just allowing the existing scouting staff to do their work and give them the flexibility to do so, as well as hire additional scouting staff (which was also very important). Feaster did go on scouting trips now and then, but he himself would state that he is not an expert and deferred to Button and then Weisbrod when he was hired on.

As for the Jankowski signing.. happy it is done. I actually wrote out a long essay that would have made some people go , but decided I will just say this instead:

Jankowski has come a LONG way in addressing his weaknesses at the draft to the point where he has turned them into huge strengths in his game. Remember, he came out of playing in a high school prep program after getting passed over in the OHL draft. That is a full tier (or 2??) below even the American high school prep program. He had no exposure to playing a really structured game, and probably didn't have much of a defensive acumen because of it. Now it is suddenly the biggest strength in his game? He has come a long ways.

I think most of you who haven't watched him at all (or at least, not much) will be pleasantly surprised with his game.

I am just going to make one stupid prediction - I bet that Jankowski spends more than half next season up on the Flames. Why? Because he is so very 'coach-able' and he is much more defensively sound player for a 22 year old (what he will be next season) than most are. Hartley (and most coaches) have trouble playing younger kids because those young kids make too many mistakes, especially in the defensive and neutral zones. Hartley will trust him more, and I bet he will be rewarded with some 2-unit PP time.

Look forward to finally seeing him in action. Hope to catch a couple of Stockton games before the season is over - and hopefully the posters here who watch them more regularly post your thoughts on his game at the pro-level!

Also, he is very much still a work in progress. It will be fun to watch how he enters the NHL next season and develops as he adjusts to it next year.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by saillias

Nah he covers the NHL and college hockey for Yahoo Sports which they call "PuckDaddy" I think all the puckdaddies are employees.

I mean he doesn't have a real job..."puckdaddies" lol what a clown

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

At home Hartley gets the last change, on the road he doesn't. That could factor into the stats more than the travel aspect of it.

Gaudreau definitely looked awful in late Jan/Feb of his rookie year. And he was still putting up assists but did not look good.

[puffnstuff]

No word on Gilmour?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I'd argue against that. If you are looking at raw points than absolutely Joe wins, but if you look at relative points I think it is a different story.

Joe's first year he placed 17th overall in scoring and was 55% (92 vs 168)of the top scorer. Johnny placed 29th and was 74% (64 vs 87).

Second year Joe placed 31st at 41% (82 vs 199) and Johnny as of today is 8th and 78% (73 vs 94)

Joe's numbers get better when you take out guys named Mario and Wayne (70% of the third place guy and 53%) but overall vs the league I think Johnny has done a better job of keeping pace with the competition, making him a more impactful rookie (at least point production wise). Monahan's second and third year production compared to the league's best is more on par with Nieuwendyk (Monahan has 71% and 63%)

Nieuwendyk had a 51 goal rookie year, that is awesome, he was 5th overall in goal scoring, and he was a year younger than Johnny when he started so I am not taking anything away from him. But I think it is a closer competition and Johnny definitely holds a candle to him.

That 51 goal rookie season was also tied for the best of all time for a rooke (well, until some Finnish player came along and obliterated it) - so it was quite the feat at the time.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by getbak

10 of Jankowski's 40 points this season came on the powerplay (25%).


Let's look at the NHL's point leaders right now...

1. Kane: 32/94 = 34.0%
2. Benn: 27/85 = 31.8%
3. Crosby: 21/79 = 26.6%
4. Karlsson: 24/76 = 31.6%
5. Pavelski: 27/75 = 36.0%
6. Thornton: 25/74 = 33.8%
7. Seguin: 24/73 = 32.9%
8. Gaudreau: 18/73 = 24.7%
9. Kuznetsov: 16/73 = 21.9%
10. Burns: 28/71 = 39.4%

So, 8 of the top 10 in the NHL this season have more than 25% of their points on the Power Play... What a bunch of third-liners padding their stats.

So what you're saying, is Jankowski is Kuznetsov and Gaudreau level.

[Freeway]

I saw a ton of Jake Virtanen prior to him going pro and had some concerns about many of his on-ice habits. It doesn't make me WRONG, per ce, but if you see a player enough times you begin to really nitpick parts of their game.

In summation: I know Lambert and think he's whip-smart and a good writer, but I take most analysts player assessments with a grain of salt. All that really matters is what the Flames think about Jankowski and how the AHL and NHL coaching staffs feel they can use him to maximize his attributes.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

That 51 goal rookie season was also tied for the best of all time for a rooke (well, until some Finnish player came along and obliterated it) - so it was quite the feat at the time.

Plus he repeated it the next year.

The best record for Newy is his 4 Cups with 4 teams, though.

[dino7c]

an opinion is one thing...to try and insult fans and players personally is stupid and that is likely why the guy can't get a real job.

Kid just had the one of the biggest moments of his life take your BS elsewhere and whats wrong with fans being excited about it, don't tell me how to enjoy following my team. Sad, sad life he must have.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

That 51 goal rookie season was also tied for the best of all time for a rooke (well, until some Finnish player came along and obliterated it) - so it was quite the feat at the time.

Actually, not quite. Mike Bossy scored 53 in his rookie season, 1977-78. I remember how disappointed I was when Nieuwendyk ran out of gas late in the '87-88 season and just couldn't get those last two goals to catch Bossy.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The best record for Newy is his 4 Cups with 4 teams, though.

4???

Calgary '89, Dallas '99, New Jersey '03, and…?