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GreenLantern · 03-26-2016, 08:35 AM

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I mean... it's not like you didn't know that was probably the case before you paid...

Cecil Terwilliger · 03-26-2016, 09:18 AM

Well it may be awful but it's owning the box office. $172M opening.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...uperman-877979

Funny because I'm not sure why anyone actually thought reviews would hurt the opening. It may hurt the next movie but not this one. Jurassic World was equally as disappointing and set the all time record, until TFA.

You'd think we'd have learned by now from transformers and TMNT and San Andreas and the myriad of other mediocre to bad movie franchises that have succeeded.

sadora · 03-26-2016, 12:31 PM

I was a bit skeptical going into this movie, and while there may have been a couple of bright spots, not enough to save this cluttered mess. Unlike Daredevil, where Affleck could be easily to blame for the lackluster movie, this one has to to fall completely on Snyder. Terrible at handling human emotions while delivering something that at least is visually entertaining.

Snyder's direction here feels like the scope of this movie was a bit too much for him to handle or like he just plainly didn't care. There is way too much going without the unnecessary dream sequences, which there were too many of, including yet another reminder of Batman's origin story, which we get twice in the movie only to remind us that Martha is the name of Bruce's mom.

That may seem like nitpicking, but in a movie this poorly crafted it's easy to see just about everything wrong with it. Plainly, a movie titled Batman v Superman barely even delivers on that one simple promise, giving us instead a very weak and uninspired plot that is so full of holes that even the titular battle is mishandled.

Even the way they handled the teases to other Justice League characters felt more like amateur & deliberate product placement rather than clever glimpses of what's to come.

Very disappointing, save your money if you haven't seen it yet!

Strange Brew · 03-26-2016, 02:11 PM

Sorry to be contrary to the naysayers but I really liked it. If you have any interest in these characters you need to see this movie. For those saying save your money, I suggest you ignore unless you are hoping for s small, low budget Sundance type drama.

pseudoreality · 03-26-2016, 02:13 PM

My wife and I have a 2 year old and never get to go out. Now her Mom is staying with us for a couple of weeks so we want to go to a movie. There's one theater in town and it has Bat v Supe, Big Fat 2 and that Divergent movie. Talk about slim pickings. We'll likely see Bats/supes.

sadora · 03-26-2016, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Sorry to be contrary to the naysayers but I really liked it. If you have any interest in these characters you need to see this movie. For those saying save your money, I suggest you ignore unless you are hoping for s small, low budget Sundance type drama.

Movies don't have to be low budget to deliver on good characterization, great plots, pacing, and just an overall good story. This isn't the first time that Snyder has directed a movie where the visuals and the blow it up destruction elements are more thought out than the elements that make a good story. I think most of us have come to expect more from comic book movies because they can balance both elements, they proved that with the Avengers: Age of Ultron, Nolan's Dark Knight, even Deadpool can be put into this category just to name a few.

SportsJunky · 03-26-2016, 03:26 PM

I'm going tonight. I'm fairly certain that I'll hate it but as a card carrying JLA fanboy, I have to go. Please let it at least be watchable.

Strange Brew · 03-26-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sadora

Movies don't have to be low budget to deliver on good characterization, great plots, pacing, and just an overall good story. This isn't the first time that Snyder has directed a movie where the visuals and the blow it up destruction elements are more thought out than the elements that make a good story. I think most of us have come to expect more from comic book movies because they can balance both elements, they proved that with the Avengers: Age of Ultron, Nolan's Dark Knight, even Deadpool can be put into this category just to name a few.

Of course they don't. Doesn't mean this wasnt a very fun movie and an enjoyable time at the theatre. I dont see the huge difference in plot, pacing and characterization between this and Age of Ultron for example. IMO a lot of people will enjoy this movie for what it is. I did atleast so the "save your money" recommendations seem a little over the top.

ComixZone · 03-26-2016, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sadora

Movies don't have to be low budget to deliver on good characterization, great plots, pacing, and just an overall good story. This isn't the first time that Snyder has directed a movie where the visuals and the blow it up destruction elements are more thought out than the elements that make a good story. I think most of us have come to expect more from comic book movies because they can balance both elements, they proved that with the Avengers: Age of Ultron, Nolan's Dark Knight, even Deadpool can be put into this category just to name a few.

Age of Ultron is freaking awful. I can't believe you mentioned it for the reasons you did.

Cecil Terwilliger · 03-26-2016, 09:24 PM

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Age of Ultron is freaking awful. I can't believe you mentioned it for the reasons you did.

The Avengers movies are Godfather I and II compared to BvS.

Sainters7 · 03-26-2016, 09:59 PM

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Jurassic World was equally as disappointing and set the all time record, until TFA.

Yep. And TFA was way more disappointing than JW

Hockey_Ninja · 03-26-2016, 10:59 PM

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Age of Ultron is freaking awful. I can't believe you mentioned it for the reasons you did.

AOU is better than this movie overall. At least AOU had a mostly focused plot.

SportsJunky · 03-26-2016, 11:18 PM

Well, I didn't hate it. Batman was good in this movie. Superman was ok. Wonder Woman was good looking.

The rest was mostly not good. Lex was distractingly bad. Hated the dream sequences. The other characters that were hinted at for next time looked silly. The plot was very convoluted and hard to follow for the uninitiated that were with me. It seemed like an episode of DC Legends of Tomorrow with a big budget.

If you are a fan of DC/JLA I'd say check it out for sure. If you aren't, you might want to wait and watch at home.

GreenLantern · 03-27-2016, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The Avengers movies are Godfather I and II compared to BvS.

Hmm no. BvS has some massive flaws but Avengers followed a cookie cutter story line where the heroes unite to fight a big villain and his army to prevent them from enslaving the human race. Now which Avengers was I describing there? Exactly. If they had actually tried something new or taken some risks with Avengers two I would give them s lot more credit. Again, bvs is bad, but there is no way the Avengers movies were Godfather good in comparison.

Cecil Terwilliger · 03-27-2016, 10:06 AM

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Hmm no. BvS has some massive flaws but Avengers followed a cookie cutter story line where the heroes unite to fight a big villain and his army to prevent them from enslaving the human race. Now which Avengers was I describing there? Exactly. If they had actually tried something new or taken some risks with Avengers two I would give them s lot more credit. Again, bvs is bad, but there is no way the Avengers movies were Godfather good in comparison.

Wait isn't that also he plot of BvS lol?

Not sure how you could give BvS credit in any single area over the Avengers, or any marvel movie for that matter. What risks did it take other than trying to copy Marvel and cash in on their template for success?

Hockey_Ninja · 03-27-2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Wait isn't that also he plot of BvS lol?

Not sure how you could give BvS credit in any single area over the Avengers, or any marvel movie for that matter. What risks did it take other than trying to copy Marvel and cash in on their template for success?

That one Batman fight sequence in that building was better than any fight scene in AOU. But yeah, that about it.

GreenLantern · 03-27-2016, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Wait isn't that also he plot of BvS lol?

Not sure how you could give BvS credit in any single area over the Avengers, or any marvel movie for that matter. What risks did it take other than trying to copy Marvel and cash in on their template for success?

All three movies were not great. Winter Soldier took a risk throwing a 70's spy thriller story line into a comic book movie and it worked. DoFP was able to spin incredible magic into their story line while keeping every moving part aligned AND giving fans closure on what was seen as a colossal fail of a third movie. Those were great movies.

Avengers took a recipe off the back of the package and played it safe. They did well and many people find them to be entertaining movies, myself included. But they were not great movies. So I lump them in with Batman V Superman, I was entertained during BvS, it did the job as a popcorn film, but failed as being a great movie. Avengers are the same for me. They were better than BvS, both of them, but the gap you are describing is not even close. I would say its closer to maybe Jurassic Park 1 and 2 (Although JP1 >>>> Avengers), the first one was really cool to see them actually make it work the way they did, and then the second one was basically #1 over again with a few new characters. /snooze

MrMastodonFarm · 03-27-2016, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Funny because I'm not sure why anyone actually thought reviews would hurt the opening. It may hurt the next movie but not this one. Jurassic World was equally as disappointing and set the all time record, until TFA..

Really? Don't know about that. Jurassic World was generally liked, RT had it at 71% while Batman v Superman sit at a whopping 29%.

Strange Brew · 03-27-2016, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Wait isn't that also he plot of BvS lol?

Not sure how you could give BvS credit in any single area over the Avengers, or any marvel movie for that matter. What risks did it take other than trying to copy Marvel and cash in on their template for success?

I get you didn't like the movie and it's understandable. But that was not the plot.

blankall · 03-27-2016, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Wait isn't that also he plot of BvS lol?

Not sure how you could give BvS credit in any single area over the Avengers, or any marvel movie for that matter. What risks did it take other than trying to copy Marvel and cash in on their template for success?

I disagree. If anything BvS took too many risks. To the point the plot became incohesive. It tried to get too cute instead of focusing on the basics of film making.