Jankowski/Gilmour signing watch. (Friedman: "Arm-wrestling" over bonuses)

[Erick Estrada]

We have a good idea there was tampering with the Rangers and Erixon so if this kid rejects the Flames offer and then signs with the Canucks I can only assume Weisebrod has been in the ear of his family or agent. I'm sure the Canucks could probably guarantee him NHL time sooner (look at their roster) but I'm not sure being part of that tire fire in BC would be good for any young player's career.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Um...Pardon?

Maatta went to a team that gave him a chance almost right away, a team that makes no pretense about overcooking prospects and development. He was also given a shot with Letang, among other factors (playing with Malkin, Crosby, Niskanen as three of his most common ice time mates for instance).

Don't just assume the exact same career happens to him here. He's a good player, but this is a different team, different management, and different coaching staff that doesn't necessarily subscribe to the same philosophy as management there, and there's nothing wrong with that. Especially with how they botched the Sven situation and did an about-face on their approach.

I feel the same way about Dougie, too. There's no telling how many career NHL games he would be at right now if he were our 2011 first rounder. You can guess but that's still all it is. The biggest selling point to Hartley on the trade was Dougie's NHL experience. It's a chicken-and-egg scenario, would Maatta be who he is today if we drafted him? Would Jankowski still have signed a year ago if Detroit drafted him? Who knows.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Nm

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, what about this has to do with Jankowski? I assume sharkov's signature has something to do with Jankowski since he has posted in a thread about Jankowski his hope of possibly changing it.

I don't think anything.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Maatta went to a team that gave him a chance almost right away, a team that makes no pretense about overcooking prospects and development. He was also given a shot with Letang, among other factors (playing with Malkin, Crosby, Niskanen as three of his most common ice time mates for instance).

Don't just assume the exact same career happens to him here. He's a good player, but this is a different team, different management, and different coaching staff that doesn't necessarily subscribe to the same philosophy as management there, and there's nothing wrong with that. Especially with how they botched the Sven situation and did an about-face on their approach.

I feel the same way about Dougie, too. There's no telling how many career NHL games he would be at right now if he were our 2011 first rounder. You can guess but that's still all it is.

Wow...you just pulled all of that right out of your ass, didn't you?

If Maatta was good enough to make a team like the Penguins, I'm sure he would have found his way onto a roster that had Shane Frickin' O'Brien on it.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

You're suggesting that, had we picked Maata, we wouldn't have needed to acquire Hamilton, which would mean we would would have had our 2015 draft picks.

I'm sorry, but that implied to me that you thought Maata was a suitable equivalent to Hamilton.

I'm not saying one is better than the other. What I am saying is that both are young top four defencemen so if we had Maatta, the need to trade for Hamilton wouldn't have been a priority.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Maatta went to a team that gave him a chance almost right away, a team that makes no pretense about overcooking prospects and development. He was also given a shot with Letang, among other factors (playing with Malkin, Crosby, Niskanen as three of his most common ice time mates for instance).

Don't just assume the exact same career happens to him here. He's a good player, but this is a different team, different management, and different coaching staff that doesn't necessarily subscribe to the same philosophy as management there, and there's nothing wrong with that. Especially with how they botched the Sven situation and did an about-face on their approach.

I feel the same way about Dougie, too. There's no telling how many career NHL games he would be at right now if he were our 2011 first rounder. You can guess but that's still all it is. The biggest selling point to Hartley on the trade was Dougie's NHL experience. It's a chicken-and-egg scenario, would Maatta be who he is today if we drafted him? Would Jankowski still have signed a year ago if Detroit drafted him? Who knows.

What the hell are you babaling about? Under this new management there are more examples of player development going right than wrong, but you are going to cherry pick the one example that didn't work how we'd hope and gang your hat on that? Not to mention, that example hasn't exactly proven out against the Flames handling at this point either.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Wow...you just pulled all of that right out of your ass, didn't you?

Huh? Do I really need to back up every claim? Okay fine:

- The Penguins gave Daniel Sprong a 40 game audition when he wasn't ready
- The Penguins admit that they rushed Beau Bennett to the NHL and should have let him simmer in the AHL

I don't think it's an unrealistic dissertation that Maatta made the NHL quicker than you can automatically assume he does in Calgary, who have four first round FORWARDS from Maatta's age still looking to hit the 25 game mark, never mind defensemen.

- It's a fact that Maatta has played a lot with Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Niskanen.

- The Flames did do an about-face on Sven. He was sent down right after Feaster was fired.

- And yeah, there's no telling. Unless you have quantum access to an alternate reality.

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If Maatta was good enough to make a team like the Penguins, I'm sure he would have found his way onto a roster that had Shane Frickin' O'Brien on it.

Funny, that. The day the Flames finally waived Shane O'Brien, Olli Maatta already had 51 games of NHL experience. Again, you can't make any assumptions. Different management, different coach, different teammates.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Like any prospect.

But a more uphill battle than a 51st overall pick?

Probably similar.

A 2nd rounder has something like a 40 percent chance of becoming an NHL player (someone on here didn't he math before).

I have doubts about Jankowski enough that I wouldn't be too upset either way.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

What the hell are you babaling about? Under this new management there are more examples of player development going right than wrong, but you are going to cherry pick the one example that didn't work how we'd hope and gang your hat on that? Not to mention, that example hasn't exactly proven out against the Flames handling at this point either.

"babaling"

Did you mean "Badabing, badaboom"?

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I'm not saying one is better than the other. What I am saying is that both are young top four defencemen so if we had Maatta, the need to trade for Hamilton wouldn't have been a priority.

If you're implying that we wouldn't have been in on Hamilton (22 y/o 6’6", career .5ppg RH defenceman) because we had "another top four defenceman" in Maata, I am genuinely certain you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Huh? Do I really need to back up every claim? Okay fine:

- The Penguins gave Daniel Sprong a 40 game audition when he wasn't ready
- The Penguins admit that they rushed Beau Bennett to the NHL and should have let him simmer in the AHL

I don't think it's an unrealistic dissertation that Maatta made the NHL quicker than you can automatically assume he does in Calgary, who have four first round FORWARDS from Maatta's age still looking to hit the 25 game mark, never mind defensemen.

- It's a fact that Maatta has played a lot with Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Niskanen.

- The Flames did do an about-face on Sven. He was sent down right after Feaster was fired.

- And yeah, there's no telling. Unless you have quantum access to an alternate reality.

Maatta was considered an NHL-ready or near ready prospect when he was drafted. Look at Sieloff - Flames tried to accelerate his development by turning pro earlier. In my opinion, he should have stayed in the CHL. They would have accelerated Maatta just like Pittsburgh did. I think you are reaching.

What 4 first round picks from the Maatta draft? Jankowski.... and I was not aware of having another 3. Also, who do you argue is ready for the NHL now that the Flames are being unfair to?

Ok, now this Sven thing is complete rubbish. I loved Sven and all Sven things. It was becoming painfully obvious that Sven was NOT ready for the NHL at that time. I began to suspect that Feaster was force-feeding Hartley Sven. I posted as much IIRC back then too. Feaster gets fired, and suddenly and "unfairly" Sven gets demoted? Sven was in over his head and becoming worse. Burke did the right thing there. I don't see how you can argue against it.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am not sure whose bog this is, but I found this part interesting:

There is very little evidence to suggest that he is anything other than a bottom six centre. He only finally cracked the point-per-game plateau this season, but by a very thin margin. This is also his senior season, mind you. Seniors generally reach a point-per-game because they get the most ice time and are more experienced than at least half of the players they come up against. Dominant college players, who will likely become great NHL players, hit that point-per-game mark way earlier than their senior season.

In fact, hitting a point-per-game is a very baseline measure for college forwards. Lee Stempniak hit that mark in his second year, as did Andrew Cogliano. Joe Colborne hit that mark in his second year of college. Joe Colborne. If Mark Jankowski couldn't outperform Joe Colborne in college, his fate is written.

But why stop there? Kenny Agostino (2nd year), Mason Raymond (2nd year), Drew Stafford (3rd year), Chris Higgins (1st year), Mark Arcobello (3rd year), Erik Condra (2nd year), Brian Boyle (3rd year), Paul Stastny (1st year), Jaden Schwartz (1st year), I could go on. The basic idea is that scoring at a point-per-game rate at the NCAA level isn't uncommon among guys who make the NHL. These players reached that mark earlier (some going way over one PPG) than Mark Jankowski.

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

[druetetective]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Huh? Do I really need to back up every claim? Okay fine:

- The Penguins gave Daniel Sprong a 40 game audition when he wasn't ready
- The Penguins admit that they rushed Beau Bennett to the NHL and should have let him simmer in the AHL

I don't think it's an unrealistic dissertation that Maatta made the NHL quicker than you can automatically assume he does in Calgary, who have four first round FORWARDS from Maatta's age still looking to hit the 25 game mark, never mind defensemen.

- It's a fact that Maatta has played a lot with Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Niskanen.

- The Flames did do an about-face on Sven. He was sent down right after Feaster was fired.

- And yeah, there's no telling. Unless you have quantum access to an alternate reality.



Funny, that. The day the Flames finally waived Shane O'Brien, Olli Maatta already had 51 games of NHL experience. Again, you can't make any assumptions. Different management, different coach, different teammates.

You failed to mention Derick Pouliot who was drafted the same year #8th overall. He has only played 52 NHL games so far, wasn't rushed at all.

Meanwhile, Maataa has played 165 despite missing time due to health concerns and injury.

I usually agree with your posts but Olli is definitely an NHL calibre defencemen and has been for several seasons. The Flames were pretty much begging for a young defender in 2013-14. That's one of the reasons Erixon was mocked so bad

[druetetective]

Isn't HNIC reporter Cassie Campbell Brad Pascall's wife?

Surely she can get a good scoop. Who want's to tweet her?

[sureLoss]

http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hock...t-well-do-that

News Update

After his collegiate career ended in heartbreaking fashion Friday in a double-overtime loss at the NCAA’s Northeast Regional, Calgary Flames prospect Mark Jankowski didn’t immediately go searching for a pen and a professional contract.

What he needed right away was an IV machine.

“He was pretty sick,” said Flames GM Brad Treliving of Jankowski, Calgary’s first-round selection in the 2012 NHL Draft and, for the past four winters, a centre with the Providence College Friars.

“After the game, I think he had about three IV bags he went through. He was down a quart, so we said, ‘You know what, let’s talk tomorrow and see where we’re at.’ We have been in touch with his representative a lot — obviously after the game and (Saturday) morning and we’ll talk a little bit later and see where this thing goes.

“But he probably needs a day to get better a bit.”

One carrot the Flames could dangle in negotiations is a late-season look-see at hockey’s highest level, which would also burn the first year of Jankowski’s entry-level pact.

That’s certainly a possibility, but Treliving hinted Saturday that he would prefer to see the Friars grad report to Calgary’s farm club. The Stockton Heat have nine dates remaining on their regular-season slate.

“Listen, he’s finished his four years and he can become an unrestricted free agent in August, so there are leverage points that he has,” Treliving said. “At this particular stage, getting him down to the American League, learning that, getting an idea of how hard it is and getting around the coaches and getting around the players … I think that’s the next step for him in his development. But we’ll see how it all plays out.”

“My feeling was, ‘Is there risk of him going back for his fourth year? Absolutely,’ ” Treliving said, referring to the possibility that Jankowski could eventually walk as a free agent. “But when you just boil it down to what’s right and wrong, that’s what was in the best interests of the player — to go there and be the guy and take on a little more. That comes with risk. We were prepared to do that risk because we think it’s in the best interests of the player. And if you do the right things, you’ll get the right return.

“I think what you wanted to accomplish in a senior year, we accomplished that, in terms of a real good development year. Now, he’s ready for the next step.”

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am not sure whose bog this is, but I found this part interesting:

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

I stopped reading a paragraph in. It's really no different than the handful of worry warts on this site that make dwelling on negative things their hobby in life.

Every player is different, and development isn't linear.

As far as I'm concerned, the fact we have a kid like this ready to step into the system as a 6'4 two-way centre is just gravy. Can't understand how there's any other way to look at it, especially in a negative light.

[hockey.modern]

I thought he can't get sent down to the AHL?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

I thought he can't get sent down to the AHL?

He can sign a NHL contract that starts next year and an ATO for the AHL for the rest of this season.

But like Treliving said, Jankowski has leverage to avoid that.

[Racki]

I'm not sure his agent signs off on that proposal. I have no doubt Jankowski will be a Flame. I just think his agent will push for the same deal that Gaudreau, Arnold, Agostino etc received. Burn the year and get a late season look in the NHL.