16/17 Goalie Situation

[FightinSioux]

Originally Posted by heep223

Haynes thinks Ortio is done with the Flames after this season. Interesting.

Makes two of us. No reason..... He had a good ten game stretch last year and is nothing special. Time to move on IMO

[ScorchyScorch]

Hiller 5x5m
Berra 3x4m

Get 'er done.











jk..

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Watch how the cap situation unfolds in Tampa and see if you can nab Bishop.

Also the cap situation in St. Louis. The internal budget of Anaheim.

[Mister Yamoto]

I can't believe that some people want Ortio or Ramo back. The only good thing about the goaltending situation right now is that they are all on expiring deals.

Lots of options out there. Not so much if the Flames bring back any of these scrubs though.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I can't believe that some people want Ortio or Ramo back. The only good thing about the goaltending situation right now is that they are all on expiring deals.

Lots of options out there. Not so much if the Flames bring back any of these scrubs though.

Agree completely. The only goaltender I want back that played pro this season is Gillies. I would like to see 3 new goalies signed for next year. Although if Poulin is willing to be the 1B in Stockton I would be alright with him returning; but I think he wants to be a clear cut #1 guy with a chance at a recall.

[Demetric]

if we dont sign Ortio, and with Russell gone, who is left to be the hipster on the team?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I can't believe that some people want Ortio or Ramo back. The only good thing about the goaltending situation right now is that they are all on expiring deals.

Lots of options out there. Not so much if the Flames bring back any of these scrubs though.

I don't think it is so much that people "want" Ortio back as it is they would prefer that the Flames hold onto him while they still have his rights. It makes much more sense to give Ortio his RFA offer, and then to move him as part of a package for another goaltender. What makes little sense is to just let him walk. He is still only 24-years-old, and has some time yet for development.

Based on an insider report in this thread, it does sound as though Ortio is not in the Flames' plans moving forward. With that in mind, I am still hopeful that they don't just let him go—at least not without exploring all their options.

[tvp2003]

So what has happened with Ortio? 6 years of development from a 6th round pick to an AHL all-star and flashes of brilliance in limited NHL action. Trending in the right direction with an NHL job ready for the taking. Then this year -- off a cliff to start the year and seemingly out the door at the end of the season. If Ortio doesn't fit into the overall plans and walks at the end of the season, that will be a significant black mark on the Flames and their development framework. Treliving, Hartley and Sigalet need to do better -- especially Sigalet. if he cant do it let's find someone else who can.

[JiriHrdina]

Why is it on the coaches and not the player?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

So what has happened with Ortio? 6 years of development from a 6th round pick to an AHL all-star and flashes of brilliance in limited NHL action. Trending in the right direction with an NHL job ready for the taking. Then this year -- off a cliff to start the year and seemingly out the door at the end of the season. If Ortio doesn't fit into the overall plans and walks at the end of the season, that will be a significant black mark on the Flames and their development framework. Treliving, Hartley and Sigalet need to do better -- especially Sigalet. if he cant do it let's find someone else who can.

Ortio is only 24-years-old, which is still quite young for a NHL goalie. I don't know that anything has gone disastrously wrong, I tend to think rather that he has hit a snag in his development. He still has a fair bit of time to find NHL success.

As for Sigalet and the Flames, this is a 6th round pick we are talking about. For him to have played as many games as he has in the NHL already is arguably a pretty good sign of successful development. It does not sound like he is in the Flames' plans moving forward, and if this is indeed the case, then I would expect it is because the coaches are not convinced about his long-term potential. In other words, like well over 90% of sixth-round draft picks, this is yet another player on whom the team took a low-risk chance that didn't pan out. If he is not good enough, then there really isn't anything anyone could have done to change that.

[AcGold]

I don't get the love for Ortio. His career stats are not very good in any league, he's just not a number one and that's what we need. Pinning hopes on Ortio is a lost cause imo, he's never getting there.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I don't get the love for Ortio. His career stats are not very good in any league, he's just not a number one and that's what we need. Pinning hopes on Ortio is a lost cause imo, he's never getting there.

but AHL all-star!

[Enoch Root]

Some teams that have been having ongoing troubles with goaltending (not all, but some)...

Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Toronto
Ottawa
(and Winnipeg did for a while)

Canadian fans are just so quick to turn on players, and goalies in particular. Make a bad save? You're a bum, pack your bags!

When they are being constantly scrutinized and criticized, they just get torn down, sooner or later.

Kipper was 26 when he finally put it together. Fortunately for him (and us?), his development took place in SJ where Canadian fans weren't jumping down his throat for every mediocre goal or game.

Bernier was a good goalie. Toronto fans destroyed him.

Reimer is a good goalie. Toronto fans ran him out of town.

Luongo might end up in the HHOF. Vancouver fans (temporarily) destroyed him and ran him out of town.

Schneider is a great goalie. Vancouver fans ran him out of town.

Dubnyk is a very good goalie. Edmonton fans destroyed him and ran him out of town.

Scrivens is an okay goalie. Edmonton fans annihilated him.

Hiller was a decent goalie when he came here. I honestly don't think Calgary fans ruined him, but I bet he is afraid to show his face at the grocery store these days.

I could go on. And on.

Ortio is 24. He is still developing. Is he an NHL goalie right now? Borderline at best. But so what? What is wrong with having some patience and continuing to work with him?

Nope. Fans can't wait to call him (anyone) a bum. They want to turn on him and label him useless when he hasn't even hit the age where most goalies begin their NHL careers yet.

Canadian hockey fans are their own worst enemies and I don't expect the cup drought is going to end any time soon.

/rant

[1_Flames_Fan]

Target Bishop, Reimer or Andersen for next season. In that order

[Dr. Doom]

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Honestly if we get either of Hiller or Ramo or Ortio back next year for that matter, I will once again question the capabilities of BT. Either he's that dumb, or he's a sucker for punishment - because anyone in their right mind will have seen enough of all 3 goalies failures by the end of this season to know that having them back should not even be considered.

BT had an opportunity last off-season to address this and he didn’t.
BT had an opportunity at this trading deadline to address this and he didn’t. (and for those that say no deal was out there – give me a break, Hutchinson for a pick make it happen)
And now we’re considering off-season options because there’s still no plan?

Instead the fan base will have to sit through almost 20 games of goalies giving up the ghost during games. Hiller was a disgrace last night, does he ever get off his knees?
Oh but the draft pick will be nice don’t get me wrong – even if its Oiler-esque what we are doing right?
And not to use the Leafs as an example but at least they are apologizing to the fans for horrible hockey. Both Lou and Babcock!
All we get from our crew is “we’ll address it in the offseason.”

Thanks God I’m not a season-ticket holder, because this is what you call Oiler-esque tanking.

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[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Canadian fans are just so quick to turn on players, and goalies in particular. Make a bad save? You're a bum, pack your bags!

When they are being constantly scrutinized and criticized, they just get torn down, sooner or later.

I think it's a matter of there only being a handful of truly elite goalies. The rest are a product of their system and can be VERY streaky. Teams like DET, SJ, STL, MIN and ANA have all seen constant turnover yet remain top teams year after year. Very few teams have had the same guy in place for a significant period of time. Guys like Price, Kipper and Lundqvist are rare.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

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Honestly if we get either of Hiller or Ramo or Ortio back next year for that matter, I will once again question the capabilities of BT. Either he's that dumb, or he's a sucker for punishment - because anyone in their right mind will have seen enough of all 3 goalies failures by the end of this season to know that having them back should not even be considered...

Please explain why it would be "dumb" to qualify Ortio as an RFA. Unless this contributes to an excess of contracts for the Flames, I don't see how it would be smart to just let a 24-year-old developing goalie walk away from the organisation.

BT had an opportunity at this trading deadline to address this and he didn’t. (and for those that say no deal was out there – give me a break, Hutchinson for a pick make it happen)...

Was there a deal to be made for Hutchison at the deadline? If so, this is the first I have heard of it. As good a GM as Treliving may be, even he is not capable of just "making things happen."

And now we’re considering off-season options because there’s still no plan?

Why would you conclude that there is no plan?

[Erick Estrada]

Not sure what Ortio's options are going to be in the offseason. If the Flames keep him in the fold he's likely destined for Stockton to back up Gillies. That's something he probably wants no part of and maybe it's possible he gets claimed off waivers or maybe he packs his bags and heads home. It's possible if there's a coaching change he may stand a better chance to compete for a backup spot but I think Hartley will get one more chance with different goaltending options.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Please explain why it would be "dumb" to qualify Ortio as an RFA. Unless this contributes to an excess of contracts for the Flames, I don't see how it would be smart to just let a 24-year-old developing goalie walk away from the organisation.


Was there a deal to be made for Hutchison at the deadline? If so, this is the first I have heard of it. As good a GM as Treliving may be, even he is not capable of just "making things happen."


Why would you conclude that there is no plan?

1. Ortio is terrible. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=120919

2. Pavelec is not tradeable, Hellebuyck can't stay down, therefore Hutchinson. Michael Hutchinson or Ondrej Pavelec

3. And between BT not mentioning goaltending as a need last HNIC, or Burke saying post-deadline that they will address it in the off-season, there is no immediate plan here. These guys must love a tanking team...

[JiriHrdina]

The Flames will have better opportunity to address the tending in the off season. Why do it at the deadline when there are fewer options?