I like the trade because it goes to show in generalities how fans view their guys. No one liked Shinkaruk after he was a canuck but now he is getting a fair shot!
I would be one of those guys that 'never liked him'. But so what? I still tried to evaluate him rationally, and still do.
I always preferred Poirier, and still do.
But even though he is a guy that I 'never liked', I still think it's a great trade for the Flames.
Edit: On the other hand, had we traded Poirier for him, I'd be pissed.
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Chicago has some of the best players in the game. If you can vastly out talent a team then size isn't as important. Not sure the Flames will ever be top 5 in the league in terms of pure talent.
The new textbook is line 1/2 - skill, size, skating and strength, line 3/4 size, skating, strength and less skill. In the playoffs size and strength wear down and take a toll on smaller teams. The best teams in the league (Chicago) may be able to survive with average size but the only hope we have of getting out of our huge/skilled division is to add some more size.
Based on what exactly?
Here's the biggest teams by weight from James Mirtle (http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2015/10/20...eight-and.html)
1. LA - missed playoffs last year, but I will give you this one
2. Winnipeg - blasted out of the playoffs in 4 games last year, terrible this year.
3. Arizona - non playoff team
4. Colorado - terrible last year, in playoff race last year
5. Buffalo - terrible
6. NY Islanders - haven't won in the playoffs in ages.
The only Knock I have on Shinkaruk is his elaborate goal celebrations. Very PK Subban'esque.
Fist pump sure, bump the glass sure, hand swipe sure. But all 3 after almost every goal.
What I love about Bennett is that after a goal, he looks like he knew he meant to score, isn't surprised he scored, and knows he will do it again.
The ridiculous over the top celebrations in an average game, gives off an impression of 'holy f*** I scored, I may never do it again, I better celebrate the S#!+ out of this one.
That said, if I end up cringing multiple times a game or 20+ times a season, I will get over it.
Listening to the Nucks team 1040, all the Canucks media were saying this makes no sense from a nucks perspective unless there is another shoe to drop and are going on to say this better mark a fire sale in Van.
They speculated Hamuis to Dallas, Hansen to anywhere for a 1st. They are expecting Benning to move out 4 or 5 more guys and if not, this trade deadline e will be an absolute disaster for the Nucks.
Growing up in Calgary I'm guessing Shinkaruk has a CP account and is reading this thread. So welcome to the Flames. I like the trade, good asset management.
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He's the only Flames forward prospect to make it to the show this year. He was playing on the team two days ago, and a highly-paid veteran is down in the minors. Spin it however you like, Granlund cracked an NHL lineup. Shinkaruk hasn't. If you want to call Granlund's floor a tweener who bounces between the NHL and the minors, then fine. Shinkaruk's floor isn't even that, as he's far from a blue chip prospect, and Treliving himself calls him a project.
I'm okay with the trade. And I agree that Shinkaruk has more upside. I'm simply pointing out the blindingly obvious fact that Granlund has shown that his floor is an NHLer (even if a fringe one) and Shinkaruk hasn't.
Don't you get it? Now that he's no longer a Flame, at 22 Granlund is a fringe NHLer who is as good as he'll ever get. While players like Ferland (23), Arnold (23), Jankowski (21), and Poirier (21) are still learning the game, and it's far too soon to make any judgement calls about their full NHL potential.
Bennett and Ferland say hello...
And okay, so his title is 'Fringe NHLer', not NHLer as you previously identified him as. After 80 games in the NHL he's nothing more than a Fringe NHLer. And I don't consider the fact Raymond got waived before him to mean anything. Raymond is complete garbage and has been scratched even more than Granlund this season. It's pathetic that Granlund was ever benched in favour of Raymond which goes to show that Granlund didn't do enough to earn a full-time spot on the Flames.
Here's the biggest teams by weight from James Mirtle (http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2015/10/20...eight-and.html)
1. LA - missed playoffs last year, but I will give you this one
2. Winnipeg - blasted out of the playoffs in 4 games last year, terrible this year.
3. Arizona - non playoff team
4. Colorado - terrible last year, in playoff race last year
5. Buffalo - terrible
6. NY Islanders - haven't won in the playoffs in ages.
It depends where the size/strength is. Teams that have a lot of power forwards in their top 9 (like LA and ANA) and top 4 defense are very hard to handle.
Have you watched us against ANA this year or last? Nuff said really.
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The only Knock I have on Shinkaruk is his elaborate goal celebrations. Very PK Subban'esque.
Fist pump sure, bump the glass sure, hand swipe sure. But all 3 after almost every goal.
What I love about Bennett is that after a goal, he looks like he knew he meant to score, isn't surprised he scored, and knows he will do it again.
The ridiculous over the top celebrations in an average game, gives off an impression of 'holy f*** I scored, I may never do it again, I better celebrate the S#!+ out of this one.
That said, if I end up cringing multiple times a game or 20+ times a season, I will get over it.
Listening to the Nucks team 1040, all the Canucks media were saying this makes no sense from a nucks perspective unless there is another shoe to drop and are going on to say this better mark a fire sale in Van.
They speculated Hamuis to Dallas, Hansen to anywhere for a 1st. They are expecting Benning to move out 4 or 5 more guys and if not, this trade deadline e will be an absolute disaster for the Nucks.
I love it!!
If he's scoring goals for the Flames he can celebrate however he pleases short of the Theo.
He's the only Flames forward prospect to make it to the show this year. He was playing on the team two days ago, and a highly-paid veteran is down in the minors. Spin it however you like, Granlund cracked an NHL lineup. Shinkaruk hasn't. If you want to call Granlund's floor a tweener who bounces between the NHL and the minors, then fine. Shinkaruk's floor isn't even that, as he's far from a blue chip prospect, and Treliving himself calls him a project.
This is terribly inaccurate. Bennett and Ferland are rookies this year, Brett Kulak saw some ice and was decent as was Derek Grant. Granlund may have produced more thanany of them save bennett but that didn't stop him from competing on a nightly basis for NHL icetime with Mason Raymond who is likely to be bought out at the end of the season.
Granlund has 86 games over 3 seasons and never established himself as a surefire pro in any of them. At the start of next season he will be 23 and will be waiver wire eligible. That's a pretty big deal and is a big aspect of why he's seen icetime with Calgary the last few years; he doesn't need to pass through waivers.
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I'm okay with the trade. And I agree that Shinkaruk has more upside. I'm simply pointing out the blindingly obvious fact that Granlund has shown that his floor is an NHLer (even if a fringe one) and Shinkaruk hasn't.
This is the same spurious logic used up in the 'Chuck to paint Linus Omark (79 games over 3 seasons, 32 points) as an NHLer (he's not).
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Don't you get it? Now that he's no longer a Flame, at 22 Granlund is a fringe NHLer who is as good as he'll ever get. While players like Ferland (23), Arnold (23), Jankowski (21), and Poirier (21) are still learning the game, and it's far too soon to make any judgement calls about their full NHL potential.
My least favourite part about this forum is assigning opinions to posters who aren't making that argument instead of arguing directly with the poster that is.
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Don't you get it? Now that he's no longer a Flame, at 22 Granlund is a fringe NHLer who is as good as he'll ever get. While players like Ferland (23), Arnold (23), Jankowski (21), and Poirier (21) are still learning the game, and it's far too soon to make any judgement calls about their full NHL potential.
I think his point was that at least one poster in this thread said Granlund can't score, can't drive play, etc. I said he's still young and could be improving. And then Fletcher compared his age to our prospects who obviously aren't fully finished products either. So at least poster is being hypocritical being they are assuming Granlund will never improve which is silly.
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Dreger on Shinkaruk/Granlund trade: "I didn't know that either one of those players was legitimately in play." #Flames #Canucks
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Dreger on Shinkaruk/Granlund: "This one just kind of came out of left field." #Flames #Canucks
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Dreger: "When we learned of the deal, I thought, 'There's got to be another piece coming from Calgary.' " #Flames #Canucks
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