[Rumour] Friedman: Flames have inquired about Pittsburgh Goalie Matt Murray

[442scotty]

With the NHL looking to shrink the goalie equipment tailored more to the players size wouldn't it be better to have a big bodied goalie instead of the tall bean pole style???

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

With the NHL looking to shrink the goalie equipment tailored more to the players size wouldn't it be better to have a big bodied goalie instead of the tall bean pole style???

#whereisMedvedev.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

You don't think Matt Murray is worth pick #14-30 in 2017? When this team desperately needs a goalie now and there's like a 40% chance that pick will be something in 3-5 years when Gaudreau is entering his late 20s?

If Pittsburgh accepts that, you run away laughing.

Many likely said the same thing about Gillies over the last 2 years..

Reality, Goalies are so unproven at that age that betting the future on them is not wise.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

With the NHL looking to shrink the goalie equipment tailored more to the players size wouldn't it be better to have a big bodied goalie instead of the tall bean pole style???

No.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by saillias

The pick is not likely to be top 3 at this point.

There are three huge favourites to finish last, second last and third last. They are Toronto, Edmonton and Columbus.

Of the tier of teams all grouped together above them, (Buffalo, Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver) we have the second best points %, just behind Vancouver.

This roster is not bad enough for the top 3 pick you desire. Not without a lottery win.

We are pretty likely to finish bottom 5 with Ramo out IMO.

Finishing 7th last we'd have a 20.6% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 6th last we'd have a 23.5% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 5th last we'd have a 26.3% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 4th last we'd have a 29% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 3rd last we'd have a 34.2% chance of getting a top 3 pick.

I'd rather have traded the 2013 1st (Monahan) for O'Reilly than trade this year's pick for Hellebuyck.

Crazy, crazy, ridiculous proposal. Looning bin is calling type proposal.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

We are pretty likely to finish bottom 5 with Ramo out IMO.

Finishing 7th last we'd have a 20.6% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 6th last we'd have a 23.5% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 5th last we'd have a 26.3% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 4th last we'd have a 29% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 3rd last we'd have a 34.2% chance of getting a top 3 pick.

I'd rather have traded the 2013 1st (Monahan) for O'Reilly than trade this year's pick for Hellebuyck.

Crazy, crazy, ridiculous proposal. Looning bin is calling type proposal.

Who cares about draft position. I wouldn't trade Mony for O'Reilly, or Hellebuyck. Or both.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by saXon

Who cares about draft position. I wouldn't trade Mony for O'Reilly, or Hellebuyck. Or both.

No one was talking about trading Monahan. Someone suggested our 1st this year for Hellebuyck.

No one cares about draft position this year? Maybe you don't, you can't speak for anyone else but yourself. The topic of draft position is very relevant in a discussion about trading our 1st rounder for a young goalie.

[MarkGio]

Of course the Flames are exploring this. Also, they never should have traded Brossoit. I only liked that trade because it made the Oilers look stupid for trading their only good defenseman.

[jg13]

Ideally we acquire an extra 1st at the deadline for Russell and send it to Pittsburgh for Murray at the draft.

We continue to be awful for the remainder of the season with Hiller playing out his contract and we go into next season with a healthy Ramo and Murray.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Of course the Flames are exploring this. Also, they never should have traded Brossoit. I only liked that trade because it made the Oilers look stupid for trading their only good defenseman.

I somewhat agree with this, but until Brossoit proves anything it's still a win for Calgary. Brossoit has played 2 NHL games. That's it. He looks promising, but I don't think trading Brossoit hurts as much as it seems (at least for now). Who's to say he doesn't flop in Calgary's system?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I somewhat agree with this, but until Brossoit proves anything it's still a win for Calgary. Brossoit has played 2 NHL games. That's it. He looks promising, but I don't think trading Brossoit hurts as much as it seems (at least for now). Who's to say he doesn't flop in Calgary's system?

I think the point is, we could use an extra bullet in the goalie chamber more than we can use Smid.

[MissTeeks]

He was reassigned to the AHL this morning:

Dave Molinari – ‏@MolinariPG

Penguins return G Matt Murray to Wilkes-Barre.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by saillias

The pick is not likely to be top 3 at this point.

There are three huge favourites to finish last, second last and third last. They are Toronto, Edmonton and Columbus.

Of the tier of teams all grouped together above them, (Buffalo, Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver) we have the second best points %, just behind Vancouver.

This roster is not bad enough for the top 3 pick you desire. Not without a lottery win.

Depends on how many games Hiller starts.

[Poe969]

Agreed, the Flames have a chance to lose every game as long as Hiller is in net. If any other trades are made it could really deflate the team even more. That's one of the reasons I wouldn't like Murray now but as I stated, I think the pens have interest in one or both of Russell and Hudler and that's who the Flames have targeted from the pens.

[Demetric]

for a goalie with 4 NHL games I sure hope the cost will be just a rental or at the most like a 4th rounder, just dont like spending first 3 rounds of draft picks on goalies that are unproven

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It certainly is as the organizational depth chart at the position looks weaker and weaker. The Flames need a stop gap starting goaltender regardless but now they are faced with possibly looking outside the organization for their franchise goaltender as the prospects of that guy being within the organization is murky.

Demko and MacDonald are both young prospects that are a few years away. And they both hold a similar likelihood of becoming regular NHL goaltenders: under 25%. Absolutely nothing decided between them at this point.

If the Flames had drafted Demko instead of MacDonald, they would be in EXACTLY the same situation they are in now. Exactly.

And they would be behaving in exactly the same way (trying to acquire another goalie).

[CliffFletcher]

Have people missed the part where the Penguins are rebuffing all inquiries about Murray? They love him. He's probably their top prospect, and they have no need at all to move him. It's completely different from other situations where promising young goalies had to be moved to avoid losing on waivers. I don't carelessly throw the word 'untradeable' around, but Murray is pretty close. The only way a team is getting him is if they overpay, and present Rutherford with a deal he'd be crazy to turn down.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

We are pretty likely to finish bottom 5 with Ramo out IMO.

Finishing 7th last we'd have a 20.6% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 6th last we'd have a 23.5% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 5th last we'd have a 26.3% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 4th last we'd have a 29% chance of getting a top 3 pick.
Finishing 3rd last we'd have a 34.2% chance of getting a top 3 pick.

I'd rather have traded the 2013 1st (Monahan) for O'Reilly than trade this year's pick for Hellebuyck.

Crazy, crazy, ridiculous proposal. Looning bin is calling type proposal.

I'm just confident he's a Price/Schneider. I think we will see how good he is when he plays for the U23 Team at the World Cup.

Also, I said I would think long and hard about it, but not that I'd do it. Just a consideration to explore. And Winnipeg might not even be interested

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Have people missed the part where the Penguins are rebuffing all inquiries about Murray? They love him. He's probably their top prospect, and they have no need at all to move him. It's completely different from other situations where promising young goalies had to be moved to avoid losing on waivers. I don't carelessly throw the word 'untradeable' around, but Murray is pretty close. The only way a team is getting him is if they overpay, and present Rutherford with a deal he'd be crazy to turn down.

I would counter with two points:

1. Jim Rutherford has made a ton of terrible trades in the past.
2. Pittsburgh always tries to load up at the deadline.

Pittsburgh is definitely a team you want to be in talks with this time of year, as they make more mistakes than anyone at the trade deadline.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Demetric

for a goalie with 4 NHL games I sure hope the cost will be just a rental or at the most like a 4th rounder, just dont like spending first 3 rounds of draft picks on goalies that are unproven

You seriously wouldn't be okay with trading a 2nd for this kid?


This isn't an 18 year old junior player. He has two years in the AHL with absolutely ridiculous stats. And his short NHL stint was pretty good as well.