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Old 02-08-2016, 09:23 AM   #581
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Sure I get the singing and chanting but what is the deal with the following (ie. context and history)? As a fan of North American sports they make no sense to me.

-Flares
-Standing room sections
-The Poznan
Atmosphere. Terraces (standing areas) are usually cheaper and attract the more boisterous supporters so they are often great sources of the energy that leads to a good atmosphere at grounds. Nosebleeds would be the North American equivalent but terraces are traditionally located behind the goals and in the closest tier to the pitch. Although terraces are banned in the top two flights of English football, most supporters in the away end, as well as, the choir in the home end stand for the duration of the match.

The Football Supporters Federation is attempting to bring the terraces back to football in the UK with Safe Standing. Copa90 has a video about safe standing.

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Old 02-08-2016, 09:29 AM   #582
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It's not like there are clubs coming together and you know...uniting. Its just a pure copycat and marketing.
Definitely. I prefer using the traditional naming convention but that in itself requires 'meaning'. If your club is brand new and didn't result for a merger, you can't use United. If your club only plays football, you can't use Athletic or Sporting. When I eventually win the lotto, I'm founding the Association Football Club of Calgary (a.k.a AFC Calgary).

Edit: And as nik alluded to, unless you have a Royal Warrant you can't use Royal.
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Real Salt Lake is just painful along with Sporting Kansas City.

Just painful.

Also, Safe Standing can totally be done, the English are still stuck in the Dark Ages and nobody believes that they've learned their lesson.

Lots of countries have safe standing terraces and it really boosts the atmosphere, Borussia Dortmund at the Westfalonstadion are the perfect example.
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Agreed, safe standing seems like a brilliant idea, yet the English seem reluctant to give it a shot. Shame really, but they've had their fair share of tragedies before going all-seaters.
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Agreed, safe standing seems like a brilliant idea, yet the English seem reluctant to give it a shot. Shame really, but they've had their fair share of tragedies before going all-seaters.
Werent those like 20+ years ago now?

I was under the impression that the insane hooliganism, stadium safety standards and various other factors that lead to those tragedies had been remedied?
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Yeah, they remedied it by completely substituting the crowd. Ticket prices skyrocketed, they banned alcohol and got rid of standing ... they effectively got rid of all the old fans and drew a completely new crowd. And they seem happy with that.
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Lots of countries have safe standing terraces and it really boosts the atmosphere, Borussia Dortmund at the Westfalonstadion are the perfect example.
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Werent those like 20+ years ago now?

I was under the impression that the insane hooliganism, stadium safety standards and various other factors that lead to those tragedies had been remedied?
Although the Taylor Report clearly stated that terraces are not intrinsically unsafe, they were the scapegoat. Poor crowd management and policing were the culprits but the blame and deep emotional wounds were associated with terraces. Thankfully the wounds are starting to heal and the blame is being correctly reassigned. Oddly enough, the kop at the Westfalonstadion isn't even a modern safe standing area (i.e. Rail Seats) but simply traditional terracing with proper crowd management.
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The new Spurs stadium will have a section that could be made one

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Flexibility for the future – with sections of the seating bowl designed to accommodate areas of safe standing if the current licensing regulations change.
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Bayern Munich only have 1 fit CB.

Holger Badstuber.

Now that is ironic.
Aaaaand theres the Score update. Holger Badstuber has fractured his ankle in training and is out for 3 months.

0 CBs.
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Aaaaand theres the Score update. Holger Badstuber has fractured his ankle in training and is out for 3 months.

0 CBs.
I came in here to 0ost the same thing. Just absurd
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I came in here to 0ost the same thing. Just absurd
Like, the last guy standing had to be Holger Badstuber the most injured man in the world other than maybe Daniel Sturridge.

So then you think: maybe hes due. Hes the healthy one and now its his time to shine?

But nope.

At least its only Augsburg tomorrow.

Theres the release:

http://www.espnfc.us/bayern-munich/s...le-in-training
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Whether you agree with the penalty or not, what's scary about these three is that they are three total world class players yet they all are completely unselfish.


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If United tried that penalty, Rooney would pass to Martial, who'd then pass it to Carrick, then on to Smalling and back to De Gea.
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I don't see why people would be offended by that. It's a perfectly legal play, and can be defended against by a team that is paying attention.
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I don't see why people would be offended by that. It's a perfectly legal play, and can be defended against by a team that is paying attention.
It's perfectly legal, but it's also showboating while up 3-1 in the 80th minute.

You may not find it low, but surely you can see why some do.
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It's perfectly legal, but it's also showboating while up 3-1 in the 80th minute.

You may not find it low, but surely you can see why some do.
I don't know. I guess it's seen as showboating because it's not likely a play they'd try in a tie game.

I've just never really bought into getting offended about sportsmanship at the professional level.
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Whether you agree with the penalty or not, what's scary about these three is that they are three total world class players yet they all are completely unselfish.


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If United tried that penalty, Rooney would pass to Martial, who'd then pass it to Carrick, then on to Smalling and back to De Gea.
I was watching the game live with my old man yesterday when that happened and we were both just taken aback by the audacity of that play. Amazing that players with that talent want to play for each other, unselfishly and get the results they do.

Two things with that penalty. First, it's hard to tell from the angles shown but it seemed like there was an invasion of the box. In one angle it seemed like Suarez went first, in another it seemed like a Celta defender went first. Either way, when there is an invasion of the box prior to the ball being kicked then the play needs to be whistled down and the shot re-taken. Happens often and rarely ever whistled. The second thing, according to Neymar that was a play intended for him as him & Messi had practiced that a few days earlier.

Still, great to see the MSN playing so well together.
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I don't see why people would be offended by that. It's a perfectly legal play, and can be defended against by a team that is paying attention.
I was initially okay with the play until someone mentioned that if they wanted Suarez to get his third, why didn't they just let him take the penalty?
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I was initially okay with the play until someone mentioned that if they wanted Suarez to get his third, why didn't they just let him take the penalty?
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It seems to me that the odds of scoring on a play like that are actually better than with a straight penalty because you change the angle that the goaltender is expecting.
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Well it can also fail miserably (see Pires and Henry for Arsenal back then) and if the defenders pay attention, you can even defend it. I wouldn't use that play on a regular basis.

Don't get the outrage. It's hardly a new trick, it's been done numerous times over the years. It's cocky for sure, but who cares ... but yeah, that "explanation" about Neymar getting his third is horsecrap.
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