U of Manitoba Education faculty - 45% students slots for five "diversity categories"

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by peter12

My brother's girlfriend is an ER nurse. It sounds extremely fun, exciting, engaging, and a burn-out waiting to happen.

That seems about right, I work in the ICU so I get to see a lot of the same things that they see in emergency, just after they have been patched up and sent upstairs. We get people who will live and people who will die and work as part of an amazing team to give people the best opportunity to be part of the former category relative to the later. There are rough days though that make you want to drink yourself into a stupor but going for a run or taking some personal time is very important.

Overall though I really love my job and I am fortunate to be working where I am.

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by peter12

It is pretty crazy, but mostly limited to certain faculties on campus. In my experience, Education is where they let the crazies run wild. Social Work gets a bit, so do the Arts. Science, Engineering, Business, and Kinesiology are basically business as usual.

Of course it is the first group where speech actually forms the basis of discourse and study. The real issue is how this trend has degraded the liberal arts to a point where it has become self-evidently satirical.

What are you going on about?

[driveway]

WOE unto the white man!

A single faculty at a single Canadian university is reserving a whopping 45% of its space for disadvantaged students! Oh, calamity!

What's that you say? Should a white man be able to show they are disadvantaged for economic, social, or religious reasons; or physical or mental disabilities that some of these spots will be open to them? Balderdash!

This is clearly part of a feminist-pinko-PC plot to crush the noble spirit of the white man under the well-manicured thumb of the gay man!

Literally dozens of spaces in this post-secondary institution will be reserved, reserved for self-identified minorities! Can you imagine such a travesty? Such an affront to common sense? What is the able-bodied, non-disadvantaged, white male to do? Get one of the tens and tens of thousands of other spaces for incoming undergrads in Canadian Universities you say? Fiddlesticks! I want to go to this University because I should get the things that I want! Did I not mention I am a white male!?

[2Stonedbirds]

Behold me then, me for him, life for life
I offer, on me let thine anger fall;
Account me man; I for his sake will leave
Thy bosom, and this glory next to thee
Freely put off, and for him lastly die
Well pleased, on me let Death wreck all his rage;

[VladtheImpaler]

Hahaha. The logical idiotic conclusion of progressive "thinking".

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Of all fields, I think education may well be the most important to have diversity in. Having the opportunity to learn from and work with people in positions of respect and authority from a broad range of walks of life is valuable in providing a good education. I'm all in favour of education programs also being much more competitive to get into and difficult to graduate from, but more diversity should have a genuinely positive downstream effect.

So you would support reserving 50 per cent of the spaces in the Education program to men in order to address the egregious under-representation of men in the teaching profession?

There's every reason to believe this under-reprentation contributes to the endemic struggles boys are having in the education system today. Boys are far more likely than girls to be prescribed behavior-modifying drugs. They do worse than girls at every level. Are far more likely to drop out. They read less. They attend university in much lower numbers (only 40 per cent of post-secondary student today are male).

[icecube]

Uh oh! Here come the male rights activists! So long as those males are white, that is.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by icecube

Uh oh! Here come the male rights activists! So long as those males are white, that is.

You guys do realize that you can have an intelligent discussion about whether a policy serves its purpose without being part of a hate group.

The ultra left is as bad as the ultra right.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

You guys do realize that you can have an intelligent discussion about whether a policy serves its purpose without being part of a hate group.

No kidding.

Although it would really help if MRA's weren't, like, 80+% comprised of irredeemable morons.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So you would support reserving 50 per cent of the spaces in the Education program to men in order to address the egregious under-representation of men in the teaching profession?

There's every reason to believe this under-reprentation contributes to the endemic struggles boys are having in the education system today. Boys are far more likely than girls to be prescribed behavior-modifying drugs. They do worse than girls at every level. Are far more likely to drop out. They read less. They attend university in much lower numbers (only 40 per cent of post-secondary student today are male).

It wouldn't really bother me. 50% seems a bit high to me and it would need to be balanced with other factors involved in getting the most diverse and high quality student body possible. While it's not a complete solution to a current lack of diversity by itself, the goal of diversity in the teaching profession is a worthy one. Also, I think schools of education should be somewhat activist because the role of education is so fundamentally tied to the social development of communities.

[PsYcNeT]

I think it's important to note that the 45% numbers is likely to help narrow disparity gaps, rather than being reflective of population demographics.

That said,

[WinnipegFan]

All I am saying is that if you want to engage young males in education then you need male teachers they can relate to. This is simply attention grabbing advertising parading as activism. The University of Manitoba Education program has always been inferior to University of Winnipeg program. This is an attempt to gain ground using pseudo-activism. The school system is spending significant amounts of resources trying to reconnect their young male population and determine the causes for their disconnect. They need male teachers to role-model that the definition of maleness needs to change. Without teachers, who see them for a large portion of their day, role-modeling this behaviour they turn to other male role models and propagate a stereotype that is degrading to all of us. This type of limitation does nothing to serve this cause, and is ridiculous. There is no more a lack of teachers who identify with these causes than there is a lack of male teachers in the system, especially in the earlier years of education.

There this version edited after I had a coffee.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

...

You're a professional in that field and you post something like that? Yikes...

[WinnipegFan]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

You're a professional in that field and you post something like that? Yikes...

Yes....why? I am not being rude or degrading to anyone simply offering another POV. If it was the editing I went through it and fixed but I just woke up.

[Esoteric]

Why the need for a quota? Why can't the best applicants be accepted? I just don't see the need of forcing admissions to a certain percentage of people based less of merit than their background.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

Yes....why? I am not being rude or degrading to anyone simply offering another POV. If it was the editing I went through it and fixed but I just woke up.

I might've misread it or there might have been something in there that I misunderstood before. But I just re-read it and it's better lol. Sorry.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

All I am saying is that if you want to engage young males in education then you need male teachers they can relate to. This is simply attention grabbing advertising parading as activism. The University of Manitoba Education program has always been inferior to University of Winnipeg program. This is an attempt to gain ground using pseudo-activism. The school system is spending significant amounts of resources trying to reconnect their young male population and determine the causes for their disconnect. They need male teachers to role-model that the definition of maleness needs to change. Without teachers, who see them for a large portion of their day, role-modeling this behaviour they turn to other male role models and propagate a stereotype that is degrading to all of us. This type of limitation does nothing to serve this cause, and is ridiculous. There is no more a lack of teachers who identify with these causes than there is a lack of male teachers in the system, especially in the earlier years of education.

There this version edited after I had a coffee.

Could you expand on this please?

[PeteMoss]

They do still need to meet mandatory entrance requirements, so assuming those stay the same its not like they are lowering the bar for those students.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Esoteric

Why the need for a quota? Why can't the best applicants be accepted? I just don't see the need of forcing admissions to a certain percentage of people based less of merit than their background.

If I were running a teacher education program, I would be thinking not just about the intellectual and academic capacity of those recruited for the program but also about the composition of the cohorts that would be graduating each year, the value of those graduates to the industry and the impact I would expect them to have. In education, I think there is a particularly high value to having diversity in working professionals. A program that provides diversity while still maintaining good academic standards offers value that a program lacking diversity does not.

The problem of making a career in education more attractive to the very best candidates of all kinds and then retaining those people in the field is a related but separate issue.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

No kidding.

Although it would really help if MRA's weren't, like, 80+% comprised of irredeemable morons.

I first thought you said "MBA's" instead of "MRA's." The sentence still made sense.