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Old 02-12-2016, 06:29 PM   #1
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The University of Manitoba faculty of education will select 45 per cent of its students from five "diversity categories," such as indigenous or LGBT people, under a policy announced in a news release Thursday.
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The news release said 15 per cent of space in the faculty will be reserved for Canadian indigenous people.

Racialized persons, which the university defines as "those who have been treated differently based on their perceived racial backgrounds, colour and/or ethnicity," and includes non-Canadian indigenous people, will get 7.5 per cent of the space.

Those who self-identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, two-spirit or queer will get 7.5 per cent of the space.

Those with physical, mental, psychological, sensory or diagnosed learning disabilities will get 7.5 per cent of space.

Disadvantaged persons, described by the university as those who have not had the opportunity for university study because of social, economic or cultural reasons or because they live in remote areas, and those who faced barriers to university because of their religion, creed, language or state of social disadvantage will also get 7.5 per cent of the space.
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So if you check gay, and aren't gay....?
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If we're talking teaching then middle aged white guys actually just guys at all are rarer than hens teeth in schools these days
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If we're talking teaching then middle aged white guys actually just guys at all are rarer than hens teeth in schools these days
That's what I was thinking. Considering that teaching is overwhelming female dominated, why is there no push/quotas for men to enter the field the way there is for women in male dominated fields? ( ie trades, firefighting etc)
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That's what I was thinking. Considering that teaching is overwhelming female dominated, why is there no push/quotas for men to enter the field the way there is for women in male dominated fields? ( ie trades, firefighting etc)
I was a teaching assistant a few years back, schools are weird places, an almost wholly female staff, run by an almost wholly male admin', all the teachers assistants were guys as we were hired in order to maintain control.
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I wonder if this is even constitutional? In the US, a publicly funded post-secondary school can't use explicit quotas for diversity purposes (other than perhaps for socio-economic factors)
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If we're talking teaching then middle aged white guys actually just guys at all are rarer than hens teeth in schools these days
http://www.economist.com/news/intern...ersity-and-gap

It is actually a really interesting situation and one that I can speak to based on my career having a very high female to male ratio. My graduating class had 5 males, myself included, out of approximately 120 students. There is a push to get more males involved in these professions (nursing, social work, and education being the two main ones), but socially while it is acceptable for females to get involved in the sciences, it is less so for males to get involved in professions seen to be more feminine. At the same time, due to increasing automation and outsourcing of labour, the jobs which have historically been seen as being male professions (physical labour) are dwindling in a more developed society. Ultimately what is being seen is a reversal of the gender disparity. I don't know if many people care and I really hope that I don't sound like a men's rights activists, but we should be encouraging males at a young age to look towards alternative careers such as nursing.

Plus it would really help if every single patient would stop asking me when I planned on becoming a doctor.
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It is actually a really interesting situation and one that I can speak to based on my career having a very high female to male ratio. My graduating class had 5 males, myself included, out of approximately 120 students. There is a push to get more males involved in these professions (nursing, social work, and education being the two main ones), but socially while it is acceptable for females to get involved in the sciences, it is less so for males to get involved in professions seen to be more feminine. At the same time, due to increasing automation and outsourcing of labour, the jobs which have historically been seen as being male professions (physical labour) are dwindling in a more developed society. Ultimately what is being seen is a reversal of the gender disparity. I don't know if many people care and I really hope that I don't sound like a men's rights activists, but we should be encouraging males at a young age to look towards alternative careers such as nursing.

Plus it would really help if every single patient would stop asking me when I planned on becoming a doctor.
Do you like being a nurse? I know a few guys in the field/nursing programs.

I read that nursing is very stressful/nurses are increasingly overworked to burnout.

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At the risk of getting chastised, isn't hiring somebody because of skin color the same as not hiring somebody because of skin color? Wouldn't it make more sense to hire or admit someone because of qualifications rather than things that are out of their control?
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My brother's girlfriend is an ER nurse. It sounds extremely fun, exciting, engaging, and a burn-out waiting to happen.
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Sigh. When will this idiocy run its course?
The backlash is definitely picking up steam, so there's reason for optimism. That is, until the backlash inevitably swings the pendulum too far the other way... yeah, never mind, we're doomed to repeat this cycle forever.
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So an education faculty where the primary goal is to form teachers whose job will be to inculcate wisdom in their students, you might actually want to chose teachers that actually have some raw intellectual ability. Instead, you get something with such overt ideological motives whose primary goal is not providing a tolerant, safe place to learn, but to train teachers to be re-educators.

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So an education faculty where the primary goal is to form teachers whose job will be to inculcate wisdom in their students, you might actually want to chose teachers that actually have some raw intellectual ability. Instead, you get something with such overt ideological motives whose primary goal is not providing a tolerance, safe place to learn, but to train teachers to be re-educators.
I think you misread. The policy is to select 45% of students, not faculty, from these "diversity categories".

Anyway, recent talk on the state of campuses the make this sort of bizzaro world policy seem pretty much par for the course... though mostly focused on the USA even though it's a Canadian prof.

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I think you misread. The policy is to select 45% of students, not faculty, from these "diversity categories".
No, I am thinking of their eventual placement into society as teachers.
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It is pretty crazy, but mostly limited to certain faculties on campus. In my experience, Education is where they let the crazies run wild. Social Work gets a bit, so do the Arts. Science, Engineering, Business, and Kinesiology are basically business as usual.

Of course it is the first group where speech actually forms the basis of discourse and study. The real issue is how this trend has degraded the liberal arts to a point where it has become self-evidently satirical.
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Of all fields, I think education may well be the most important to have diversity in. Having the opportunity to learn from and work with people in positions of respect and authority from a broad range of walks of life is valuable in providing a good education. I'm all in favour of education programs also being much more competitive to get into and difficult to graduate from, but more diversity should have a genuinely positive downstream effect.
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