What was the urgency in disarming him at that point? If they had just given him space, then the only person he could have realistically hurt was himself. Another officer just seconds before suggested that they take the time to bring in a taser. Yatim was provoking Forcillo with words and Forcillo got angry enough to be lured in.
I don't like that police generally get piled on after these things. This was one officer that was the problem here, not police in general. I don't like it either though that when things like this happen, the police close ranks. Let's face it, there is a lot of pressure to support each and probably a lot of repercussions for those that speak out.
The prosecution in this case did a good job of making that point. When other officers said they supported Forcillo's actions, they had no explanations for why they weren't the ones pushing the line and why other situations are usually handled differently. It was very contradictory.
As I've stated before I think the Yatim incident could and should have been handled differently. The greyhound bus be-header comes to mind. He had killed a guy and was eating parts of him in front of the police, the guy was already dead by the time police showed up so there was no immediate danger to anyone else. They waited him out and when he tried to escape, captured him. Maybe they could have tear gassed the streetcar, sprayed pepper spray in there, I dunno, but imho opinion you try less lethal options until you're forced to use lethal force.
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Never mind the fact that if said man broke containment and decided to hack up a civilian he encountered or take a hostage...
Not sure if serious so am going to assume you are.
Couldn't that have been a defence in the Toronto case then?
And if not. Why not? What's the difference?
Why not assume that with every assessment of all situations and shoot them all?
As I've stated before I think the Yatim incident could and should have been handled differently. The greyhound bus be-header comes to mind. He had killed a guy and was eating parts of him in front of the police, the guy was already dead by the time police showed up so there was no immediate danger to anyone else. They waited him out and when he tried to escape, captured him. Maybe they could have tear gassed the streetcar, sprayed pepper spray in there, I dunno, but imho opinion you try less lethal options until you're forced to use lethal force.
I am sure a lot of police officers probably feel the same, but I doubt many would testify against another officer in court by saying that against a fellow officer.
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Not sure if serious so am going to assume you are.
Couldn't that have been a defence in the Toronto case then?
And if not. Why not? What's the difference?
Why not assume that with every assessment of all situations and shoot them all?
What should the UK cops have done?
Guy out on open street advancing towards cops with a machete, kid contained in a streetcar with a small knife. UK cops should have had tasers, bean bag shotgun or other less lethal options, formed a proper containment and try to apprehend him. They should not have approached an angry guy with a machete using a plastic garbage bin as cover. I'm sorry but if you advance in an aggressive manner armed with a machete towards a cop you're not giving the cop a lot of choice in how to resolve the situation.
As I've stated before I think the Yatim incident could and should have been handled differently. The greyhound bus be-header comes to mind. He had killed a guy and was eating parts of him in front of the police, the guy was already dead by the time police showed up so there was no immediate danger to anyone else. They waited him out and when he tried to escape, captured him. Maybe they could have tear gassed the streetcar, sprayed pepper spray in there, I dunno, but imho opinion you try less lethal options until you're forced to use lethal force.
This is just my impression but it does seem like a lot of police misconduct cases resulting in death occurred because the officer wasn't patient and decided to use lethal force within seconds.
This is just my impression but it does seem like a lot of police misconduct cases resulting in death occurred because the officer wasn't patient and decided to use lethal force within seconds.
Well I'd be curious to see those cases you're referring to. At the end of the day you strive to give yourself time and distance so you can make a more informed decision. Sometimes you have that luxury sometimes you don't.
Well I'd be curious to see those cases you're referring to. At the end of the day you strive to give yourself time and distance so you can make a more informed decision. Sometimes you have that luxury sometimes you don't.
The case where police tasered a man in a Canadian airport and he died.
I could be cherry picking, these are just the ones that I recall. Some of them have the officer shooting someone with seconds of arriving at the situation. Most of the cases resulted in the officer being charged so clearly they didn't act appropriately.
The case where police tasered a man in a Canadian airport and he died.
I could be cherry picking, these are just the ones that I recall. Some of them have the officer shooting someone with seconds of arriving at the situation. Most of the cases resulted in the officer being charged so clearly they didn't act appropriately.
Not gonna deny that those are terrible and unfortunately results in good cops getting tarred with the same as the bad ones. My office just outfitted all our cars
with dash cams. I feel a lot better having that going when I'm working and I hope body cams are next.
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How so?
Did the return fire cause the perp to flee?
or was he going to exit the vehicle, and shoot the downed officer some more?
A man known to police was pulled over due to plates not matching the vehicle IIRC. The man was known to be violent to police, but the officer tried responding without his gun drawn and was shot several times. The only reason he's alive is that another officer happened to be nearby and came to his aid shooting and wounding the man as he drove away. He was found later and arrested. The officer just returned to work today after being shot in December of 2014.
Oddly enough, this man used his Facebook account to rail against police brutality often posting news stories from Canada and the US almost exclusively.
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