[PGT] Flames beat Blue Jackets 4-2

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

A LOT? Really?
And are you not doing the same thing by busting out a "told ya so" based on a 23 game subset of games?
I don't have a problem with the contract, for what its worth. It isn't great but they had to sign it in my opinion.

*sigh*


I didn't post anything about Gio in the first place, I was just pointing out the silly overreaction to a rough start without looking at his entire body of work.

Looks like I was right to post the fishing icon since I'm getting plenty of bites.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by pylon

That's BS. He has played way above his contract value the last 5-6 years..

Disagree.

Since being named captain and under Hartley's activate the D system Giordano has been fantastic but the two seasons prior he was pretty terrible. The first two seasons of his current 5 year deal was iffy. Lots of old boys club, hopes he could be traded along with Iginla, Bouwmeester etc comments.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Fair enough, to a point. I was never thrilled with the contract and didn't change my tune after the rough start. Many other posters were the same. Pretty disingenuous to label anyone that was against it as changing their tune.

Saying you were against it is disingenuous on your part. From his signing thread:

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Good deal, Giordano turns 32 in a month and will be 38 when this new deal finishes (old 1 + new 6) so you're hoping he isn't chugging it up too much by the end of this contract.

Happy overall. Almost 7 million is a big pill to swallow for 6 years, for a guy his age but he was going to get paid by someone next summer if it wasn't us and this is a contract that will be very workable in our cap for the type of player and the role he plays for us. You hope injuries don't make him miss too much time.

Great off season for our GM, thought this contract was going to be around seven and a half.

And for what it's worth, you're far from the worst offender on this topic. Here are Erik Estrada's (aka "This Contract in a Franchise Stunting Anchor"'s) two posts:

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I believe this is the first time the Flames have locked up a player in one of those pay later for today's performance. It's one of those juggling acts any team that fancies themselves as becoming a cup contender must face as the flip side is losing the player and taking a step back. Good to have this done before the season so the uncertainty doesn't linger.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm actually not too worried about Giordano's play in 2020 as I feel pretty confident there will be another round of compliance buyouts the next time the CBA is revisited. Hopefully it never comes to that but I feel the Flames should be protected either way.

[your_dad]

Bennett is deadly

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^ LOL. That's kind of what I'm referring to. Thanks Mike F.

[Hockeyguy15]

This PGT is as bad as the first period.

I'll take the win on the road.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Saying you were against it is disingenuous on your part. From his signing thread:

ohsnap.

[UnitedFlames]

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Brendone

Is this E(=ng)bonics for something?

It's a reference from the movie "Old School" starring Will Ferrell

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Saying you were against it is disingenuous on your part. From his signing thread:

Would you say I was thrilled by that post? Did I say I was "against it"

Pretty clear I said I wasn't thrilled by it, those were my words and the post you linked back to proved that.

[heep223]

Bennett just a beast out there around the net. What a snipe.

Excellent game by Frolik. Didn't know he had wheels like that, guy can skate. Backlund, Gio good games.

Hudler continues to be absolutely invisible. It almost looks like he doesn't want to be there. Shying away from contact, losing every puck battle, doesn't skate past first 2 or 3 strides. He had 1 play where he actually skates hard to the net the entire game and then didn't see him for like 5 mins after. Hopefully he's fighting through an injury and not just counting down the days before going to Europe.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

^ LOL. That's kind of what I'm referring to. Thanks Mike F.

See I can respect that postion based on thing like that how they can annoy you 100%.


I'm never going to be a fan of handing out any thing more then 3 year or 4 year deals ( in special cases) to players 30 plus years of age.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Panarin playing with Kane.

If Bennett is playing with Gaudreau, he's leading this list

Panarin is freaking unreal good as well. Super impressed by him when I've watched him. Let's not put it all on Kane, Panarin looks a lot more similar to Gaudreau/Kane then it looks like he's riding anyone's coattails. In fact perhaps part of why Kane is having such an unreal season is playing with another sicko like Panarin.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Reliable yes. Special or elite definitely not. There are tons of dmen that are reliable.

Giordano was way better than 'reliable' over the course of his last deal. $4m was the going rate for a solid #4 when he signed it, and he was of top pairing quality for 2 of the 5 years of the deal, 3 if you want to count this one as he's really been coming on. Even if the first two years could only be described as 'reliable', he's been much better since. He's been a bonafide top pairing guy for at least 50% of his current deal by my estimation, and usually those guys go for $7m+ AAV.

Also, there aren't 'tons' of reliable defensemen out there, they're easily one of the most sought after commodities. Most teams only have 3-5, some teams like the Oilers only have 0-1. I think you're selling Giordano short by a fair margin.

[polak]

I still think it's crazy that the Johnny Hockey nickname has completely caught in the league to the point where even rival fans gladly use it.

Suck it Healy.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Would you say I was thrilled by that post? Did I say I was "against it"

Pretty clear I said I wasn't thrilled by it, those were my words and the post you linked back to proved that.

Your original post said "Good deal" and "Happy overall". To now describe yourself as "Not Thrilled" is certainly misleading at least.

And if you weren't referring to yourself when you said "Pretty disingenuous to label anyone that was against it as changing their tune.", then who were you referring to?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Disagree.

Since being named captain and under Hartley's activate the D system Giordano has been fantastic but the two seasons prior he was pretty terrible. The first two seasons of his current 5 year deal was iffy. Lots of old boys club, hopes he could be traded along with Iginla, Bouwmeester etc comments.

Too strong of a word IMO. He was a solid #4 at least, and much better than what guys like Wideman and Russell are this year. He was worth $4m (though perhaps not much more) during each of those first 2 seasons.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

This PGT is as bad as the first period.

I'll take the win on the road.

Boring game. Not much to talk about that game other then Bennets first goal and Ramo being solid again.

30th ####ty team beaten by the 29th ####tiest. It was a win tho granted. It was just terrible all around.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Reliable yes. Special or elite definitely not. There are tons of dmen that are reliable.

He was leading points for dmen and Norris favourite last season through 65 games. He would have been a shoe in as the best defenseman in the league.

Gio is an elite d man.

Edit: you were talking about Gio right? I didn't really verify haha

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Yeah Panarin's stats have been pretty inflated due to playing with the #1 offensive player. Kane would make Yakupov look like a top line winger.

I think that's the wrong conclusion to draw. Panarin is 3 times the player Yakupov is and probably is part of the reason why Kane is doing so well. First time I saw him this season I thought I was watching a Kane or a Gaudreau type player. If you haven't watched a lot of the Blackhawks watch the kid closely, he's the real deal and isn't just riding Kane's coattails. Panarin drives a lot of offence himself.