I think we have to consider that Russell, Hudler, and possibly more players will be moved at the deadline leading to AHL call ups and I hate to use the tank term but it's kind of what this team did in 2013.
I wouldn't call it tanking. It's the right move and what should be done. It is what makes most sense. If it leads to a better pick then great but keeping these guys serves no purpose. We need assets more than we need this false sense of pride. As a wise man once said "moral victories are for minor league coaches." When we're hoisting a cup 3-4 years from now we might look back at this season as a blessing in disguise.
I would love for the Flames to be able to snag Brayden Burke from the Lethbridge Hurricanes. Currently 3rd overall in WHL scoring. 14G 52A in 45GP. Projected to be a 2nd round pick at the moment but it wouldn't shock me to see this kid end up going in the 1st round.
Only knock against him is his size (and that he's from Edmonton). 5'10 164lbs according to WHL website.
How do Jake Bean, Jordan Stallard, Carsen Twarynski, Jakub Stukel and Beck Malenstyn look?
A lot of potential mid round picks.
On a side not I'm dying to know what the conditions on the pick acquired on the Reinhart trade are. I wish some journalist would do some digging and find out.
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How do Jake Bean, Jordan Stallard, Carsen Twarynski, Jakub Stukel and Beck Malenstyn look?
A lot of potential mid round picks.
On a side not I'm dying to know what the conditions on the pick acquired on the Reinhart trade are. I wish some journalist would do some digging and find out.
Haven't watched the Hitmen at all but Jake Bean will likely be a 1st rounder from what I've heard.
Matthew Tkachuk isn't that big at 6'1" and 195 lbs. Maybe he'll need another year in junior. The other three top seeds should be able to play next season. The defencemen probably need some seasoning as well.
Matthew Tkachuk isn't that big at 6'1" and 195 lbs. Maybe he'll need another year in junior. The other three top seeds should be able to play next season. The defencemen probably need some seasoning as well.
He plays big. Hard to say if he's ready, wouldn't surprise me either way, probably depends which organization takes him and their depth up front.
I mean if it was us and we're losing Jones and Hudler? I'd say Tkachuk might be more likely to make the team than any of our current winger prospects. He plays that NHL style power game already.
I think I'd rather take Nylander than Tkachuk. But that's just me.
Honestly, I think most of us have really only seen most of these guys at the WJC with a smattering of people seeing them once or twice, but I was not really too impressed with Tkachuk in the WJC. Especially as Nylander just did exactly what Tkachuk did but better, score goals in/near the crease. My eyes told me Nylanders just better.
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I think I'd rather take Nylander than Tkachuk. But that's just me.
Honestly, I think most of us have really only seen most of these guys at the WJC with a smattering of people seeing them once or twice, but I was not really too impressed with Tkachuk in the WJC. Especially as Nylander just did exactly what Tkachuk did but better, score goals in/near the crease. My eyes told me Nylanders just better.
I think they will both be great players. But I take the power forward every time. So rare to be able to draft a 1st line power forward. Preference for sure. I know some fans would take the more flashy guy.
Did you watch the Tkachuk highlight package a few pages back?
In my opinion power forwards become even more valuable in the playoffs when it gets tighter checking and less penalties are called. Guys like Tkachuk can fight through checks, muck in and around the crease, screen goalies, make little plays around the goal. Sometimes softer skilled European players can be shut down physically by big defensemen or they fade to the perimeter (obviously not all, the best fight through it.)
I mean how quickly have we forgotten getting physically dominated by the Ducks? They were bigger, stronger and more powerful than us. Our best player is one of the smaller guys in the league, ideally I'd wanna surround him with big, strong, physical, skilled guys to make room for him.
Nylander is sublimely skilled and I won't be disappointed if we take him but a guy like Tkachuk could be a warrior out there and allow us to play a power forward on each of our top two lines. I think some fans underestimate the impact of power forwards and how hard it is to physically check them and shut them down, especially in the playoffs. They make room on the ice by powering through checks, drawing defenders to them and then dishing it off.
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I think they will both be great players. But I take the power forward every time. So rare to be able to draft a 1st line power forward. Preference for sure. I know some fans would take the more flashy guy.
Did you watch the Tkachuk highlight package a few pages back?
In my opinion power forwards become even more valuable in the playoffs when it gets tighter checking and less penalties are called. Guys like Tkachuk can fight through checks, muck in and around the crease, screen goalies, make little plays around the goal. Sometimes softer skilled European players can be shut down physically by big defensemen or they fade to the perimeter (obviously not all, the best fight through it.)
I mean how quickly have we forgotten getting physically dominated by the Ducks? They were bigger, stronger and more powerful than us. Our best player is one of the smaller guys in the league, ideally I'd wanna surround him with big, strong, physical, skilled guys to make room for him.
Nylander is sublimely skilled and I won't be disappointed if we take him but a guy like Tkachuk could be a warrior out there and allow us to play a power forward on each of our top two lines. I think some fans underestimate the impact of power forwards and how hard it is to physically check them and shut them down, especially in the playoffs. They make room on the ice by powering through checks, drawing defenders to them and then dishing it off.
Yeah I've been geeking out a bit lately on the old highlight packs. Not just those that have been posted though.
Uhhhh, I get the PWF thing, I really do. But Alex Nylander is not much smaller and played a tougher game than I have ever seen his brother play.
It's just preference. I ant a pure RH/RW for the Flames. And I feel like outside of Laine or Puljujarvi, Nylander is the next in line.
I'll be okay with Tkachuk, but it really doesn't do anything for the long term viability of the absolute lack of tangible depth on RW in the organization. They addressed the D depth last year, next up...RW.
Also, if we want a PWF, just go out and draft Yegor Korshkov (19, 6'3", 179 lbs. LH/RW). That guy was a knock out in the WJC.
EDIT: Tkachuks 63 (15 goals) points in 33 gp makes him stand out big time over Nylanders paltry 51 (23 goals) in 36 gp. Difference? Tkachuk is with London and Nylander is in Missisauga. I feel like Nylander is carrying his team wheras Tkachuk is riding some coat tails.
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I also want to say wouldn't cry about Julien Gauthier either. Pure goal scorer. Can it translate to the NHL? not sure but he's another solid RW option further down the draft ladder. Especially if the Flames can manage to nab another late 1st in the sell off.
EDIT: Korshkovs absolute beauty of a goal in the WJC. This should be watched all the time.
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This chart compiles the rankings from Button, FC, ISS, THN, McKeen's.
The horizontal bars show the range the prospect was ranked. The top of the white bar is the highest the prospect ranked while the bottom of the white bar is the lowest a prospect has been ranked. The green triangle shows the average rank for each prospect.
Clear top tier of Matthews, Puljujarvi, and Laine.
Suggests a 2nd tier of Nylander, Chychrun, and Tkachuk.
Then a 3rd tier of Juolevi, McLeod, Sergachyov, Jost, Gauthier, Dubois etc.
Max Jones appears to be a wild card.
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How do Jake Bean, Jordan Stallard, Carsen Twarynski, Jakub Stukel and Beck Malenstyn look?
Been to most of their games.
-Bean: puck-moving defender. Good decision-making, good skater but sometimes gets caught out of position. Consistent and took a big step forward when Travis Sanheim was out.
-Stallard: not a huge guy, but good foot-speed and has a knack for being in the right spot. Doesn't win battles by out-muscling, but by out-positioning.
-Twarynski: lacks high-end skill, but has NHL size and battles hard. Arguably Calgary's most consistent player.
-Stukel: great shot and good release. Not a huge guy, but very smart and strategic. If you put him with somebody that can get him the puck, he can produce.
-Malenstyn: hustles and battles hard and has good size, but lacks Twarynski's consistency and has arguably less offensive skill.
I watched a few Kitchener games recently. One player I'm conflicted on is Adam Mascherin. He's 5'10 210 built like a fire hydrant, He plows over players and I know that skill won't translate.
The thing is he's a fantastic sniper. 53 points with 23 goals in 37 games playing without a true playmaker. I can't decide if hes the next Cammalleri or Brule.
I watched a few Kitchener games recently. One player I'm conflicted on is Adam Mascherin. He's 5'10 210 built like a fire hydrant, He plows over players and I know that skill won't translate.
The thing is he's a fantastic sniper. 53 points with 23 goals in 37 games playing without a true playmaker. I can't decide if hes the next Cammalleri or Brule.
Projected in the 3rd or 4th round btw.
Does he have the effort/grit that would make him similar to Gallagher or Marchand?
