UPD: NHL announces Scott WILL captain the Pacific team

[Enoch Root]

It's kind of hilarious that the people who voted for Scott, or supported the process of him getting voted in, ran with the "who cares, it's a silly all star game, it's garbage anyway" retort. And now those same people are outraged that he won't be going.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Kind of curious where you think the NHLPA can fight this. Teams are free to assign players to the AHL under the terms of the CBA for any reason. The only condition is that some players need to clear waivers before being sent down.

He's a Habs fan crying about a Habs player. Who likely will not see a game in the NHL with the Habs.

[TheScorpion]

Say what you want about Scott’s participation — or lack thereof — but how the NHL has handled this is just wrong.

Evgeni Malkin's Ego ‏@EvgeniMaIkinEgo 59m59 minutes ago
The NHL All-Star Fan Vote:

Where YOU get to choose who's an All-Star (unless we decide we don't want them there)!

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's kind of hilarious that the people who voted for Scott, or supported the process of him getting voted in, ran with the "who cares, it's a silly all star game, it's garbage anyway" retort. And now those same people are outraged that he won't be going.

The ASG remains as silly and meaningless without Scott as it would have with. Though my personal interest in watching it has dropped to zero.

But even you should be capable of realizing there is a difference between the game itself, and the very real belief that the NHL engineered this to take away a player the fans themselves voted in. It speaks to the duplicity of NHL management and a decided lack of integrity.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Scott had no obligation to follow the League's wishes, and every right to refuse the request. He did nothing more than stand up for himself, and now he's getting shafted for having done so.

Like I said, if the NHLPA isn't all over this, it has no legitimacy as a union. This is exactly the kind of thing it's set up to prevent.

The NHLPA was set up to prevent the NHL from dis-allowing an AHL player, who was voted into the all-star game by internet fans who think it's funny for some reason to vote him in, from actually going to the all-star game, despite the fact that, being in the AHL at the tine of the all-star game, makes him (allegedly) ineligible to go to said all-star game?

[fredr123]

I'm just glad that at the end of the day, one crucial issue has been cleared up. I've always wondered if my following hockey as far back as I can remember, all the games I've gone to over the years, the ones I've watched on TV, bringing my kids up to love the game and cheer for the Flames, all the dollars I spent on merch, all that stuff... whether it meant I was an actual fan or not. But since I voted for John Scott to go to the all star game I now know for sure I am not, in fact, a real fan. Good to know.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's kind of hilarious that the people who voted for Scott, or supported the process of him getting voted in, ran with the "who cares, it's a silly all star game, it's garbage anyway" retort. And now those same people are outraged that he won't be going.

Not true. I "supported" the process of him getting voted in because it made sense. NHL holds and open vote for a nothing game, candidate gets voted in. Simple as that. The fact that it was the worst player in the NHL is hilarious.

I am not outraged now. If the NHL did some funny business to make sure he doesn't go (which it sounds like they may have), that is just bush league and stupid.

I bet you every single living Latvian watched Grigensens at the ASG. Who cares if he didn't "deserve" to be there by yours or my standard. I personally think Brodie deserves it more than Gio, but I certainly don't care that Brodie was overlooked for a nothing game.

[TheScorpion]

K, this made me laugh.

Ian McLaren @iancmclaren 32s
Haven't seen this kind of shady democracy since the 2000 presidential election. NHL has officially gone Bush league.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Kind of curious where you think the NHLPA can fight this. Teams are free to assign players to the AHL under the terms of the CBA for any reason. The only condition is that some players need to clear waivers before being sent down.

Bettman didn't like Scott standing up for himself when he was told to drop out of the ASG, as he had the right to do. As a response, he stepped in and orchestrated Scott's trade and demotion to a team conveniently located at the opposite end of the continent, weeks before his wife was scheduled to give birth to twins. Not only does Scott not get to attend the event he was looking forward to attending (and likely forfeit the bonus that comes with it), he's forced to choose between relocating his heavily pregnant wife to literally the farthest-away location in North American hockey, leaving her behind to deal with her delivery and newborn care on her own, or breaching his contract and finding himself unemployed.

Far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't believe this is exactly what happened either doesn't know Gary Bettman's M.O., or is a complete moron. This isn't about the All-Star Game; it's about a petty, vindictive man unloading his Napoleon complex in full force on a player who did nothing more than stand up for himself.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The ASG remains as silly and meaningless without Scott as it would have with. Though my personal interest in watching it has dropped to zero.

But even you should be capable of realizing there is a difference between the game itself, and the very real belief that the NHL engineered this to take away a player the fans themselves voted in. It speaks to the duplicity of NHL management and a decided lack of integrity.

lol

your direct and pathetic attacks towards anyone who disagrees with your point of view detract so much from your otherwise informative and interesting posts

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Scott had no obligation to follow the League's wishes, and every right to refuse the request. He did nothing more than stand up for himself, and now he's getting shafted for having done so.

Like I said, if the NHLPA isn't all over this, it has no legitimacy as a union. This is exactly the kind of thing it's set up to prevent.

I generally agree with you.

Notwithstanding the actual specifics of the "who" and "what" involved in this case, the fact that the NHL basically operates as a cartel makes such moves worrisome. The NHLPA should be looking to preserve the rights of its players regardless of the supposed importance of the event or the quality of the player.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I generally agree with you.

Notwithstanding the actual specifics of the "who" and "what" involved in this case, the fact that the NHL basically operates as a cartel makes such moves worrisome. The NHLPA should be looking to preserve the rights of its players regardless of the supposed importance of the event or the quality of the player.

So you think the NHLPA will demand that the NHL amend the CBA so that anyone named to the all star game cannot be traded/demoted until after the game?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Bettman didn't like Scott standing up for himself when he was told to drop out of the ASG, as he had the right to do. As a response, he stepped in and orchestrated Scott's trade and demotion to a team conveniently located at the opposite end of the continent, weeks before his wife was scheduled to give birth to twins. Not only does Scott not get to attend the event he was looking forward to attending (and likely forfeit the bonus that comes with it), he's forced to choose between relocating his heavily pregnant wife to literally the farthest-away location in North American hockey, leaving her behind to deal with her delivery and newborn care on her own, or breaching his contract and finding himself unemployed.

Far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't believe this is exactly what happened either doesn't know Gary Bettman's M.O., or is a complete moron. This isn't about the All-Star Game; it's about a petty, vindictive man unloading his Napoleon complex in full force on a player who did nothing more than stand up for himself.

I must have misplaced my tinfoil hat.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Prairiefire

I am glad this pile of crap got resolved. The vote was for hockey fans not for a bunch of idiots with keyboards, Scott should have respectfully bowed out.

Irony?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Addick

Team-mates are often friends and they have just witnessed their friend being forced to relocate himself for refusing to let his bosses backtrack out of mess of their own making.

lol their friend was being voted in by trolls because he sucks (not because he is a legit candidate). You think his friends are upset that he's not going due to a high jack prank cause he sucks so much?

(well ok maybe they are, my friends would probably think its funny if I sucked at something so much that a bunch of people were voting me in cause I was the worst candidate in a selection process.)

EDIT : misread. or read what i thought you were trying to say. im stoopid.

[GirlySports]

if the attitude is that real NHL fans didn't vote Scott in and it was only the "idiots on keyboards" or "trolls" then it's no wonder the NHL cannot get a foothold in the sports market and attract new fans.

It Scott playing in the all-star game created 1 million new fans, that's fans you can never get back.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

lol

your direct and pathetic attacks towards anyone who disagrees with your point of view detract so much from your otherwise informative and interesting posts

If you choose to be disingenuous, that is your choice. Don't start crying if I basically call you out on it. Your choice to ignore the meat of my reply to you is also noted.

[JiriHrdina]

How would it have created new fans? It was done as a joke. Once the joke is over theres nothing left.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

If you choose to be disingenuous, that is your choice. Don't start crying if I basically call you out on it. Your choice to ignore the meat of my reply to you is also noted.

lol

does not mean crying

just trying to give you some friendly advice

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

if the attitude is that real NHL fans didn't vote Scott in and it was only the "idiots on keyboards" or "trolls" then it's no wonder the NHL cannot get a foothold in the sports market and attract new fans.

It Scott playing in the all-star game created 1 million new fans, that's fans you can never get back.

Neither is actually true, however. It takes some knowledge of the NHL that Scott is a terrible hockey player and he is the joke candidate. These are not 1 million new fans voting for the guy and his appearance in the ASG has nothing to do with attracting new fans.