UPD: NHL announces Scott WILL captain the Pacific team

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

McKenzie's take:

I also think we should start a countdown before John scott joins the class action litigation on head trauma and fighting in the league.

"The NHL allows players to damage my brain through repeated head trauma for entertainment purposes, but won't allow me to participate in a non-contact game of shinny when asked to do so by NHL fans"

[getbak]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

(Like I said though, I suspect John Scott gets a contract extension out of this if he goes away quietly)

He refused to go away quietly. Now, he gets to spend the rest of the season in Newfoundland.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

The problem is that they closed the loophole after the result was decided.

If there is a set of rules that everyone is asked to play by, you don't get to retroactively change said rules if you don't like the result.

Had they done it before or during the vote, problem solved. But they chose not to. They earned this result. They should accept it and move on.


(Like I said though, I suspect John Scott gets a contract extension out of this if he goes away quietly)

As Mirtle pointed out, the NHL said early on in this process that if Scott was voted in, they would let him play:

The NHL, however, says it won’t block him from taking part in the game if he is voted as one of the four “captains” of the four division-based all-star teams.

“As long as voting is legitimate, we will honour the results,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said on Wednesday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle27573364/

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Addick

It would be nice if all of his former team-mates refuse to take his place.

why? to show people on the internet (Reddit? HF?) didn't waste their time high jacking a online voting system?

stupid people who have nothing better to do, are angry that their attempt pointless high jack was proved to indeed be pointless.... and now are upset their time was wasted. thats actually kind of funny.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

The problem is that they closed the loophole after the result was decided.

If there is a set of rules that everyone is asked to play by, you don't get to retroactively change said rules if you don't like the result.

I am not sure that this can turn into a legitimate legal argument. Loophole closed before/after. Its a league special event.

Personally I am pleased to see this was done but the reaction should be interesting.

[Addick]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

why? to show people on the internet (Reddit? HF?) didn't waste their time high jacking a online voting system?

Team-mates are often friends and they have just witnessed their friend being forced to relocate himself for refusing to let his bosses backtrack out of mess of their own making.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by resolute 14

no true scottsman fallacy?

ftfy

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I disagree with your take on this.

is it not possible for NHL fans to object to the state of the All Star Game and make up of the event?

The fans have been ignored and started a response that went viral. A player went along for the ride as he is entitled to do as an NHLer.

the NHL response is off side the rules it set up for its fans. There is a consequence. Rather than letting it go, they changed the rules and orchestrated a result behind closed doors, which many fans will find objectionable.

Let me put it this way - as a fan I'm more interested in seeing John Scott in the all star game today than I was yesterday because I think it's garbage that the NHL is pulling a stunt like this.

Sorry man but I don't consider this any sort of protest against the all star game. Every all star game is a joke. It's for kids.
This was trolling and a darn good job of it. But let's not pretend it was anything more than that.
Hell it could have been done even more impressively. Vote for guys only named John or something. Get creative! This was just a repetition of Rory

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by getbak

He refused to go away quietly. Now, he gets to spend the rest of the season in Newfoundland.

Scott had no obligation to follow the League's wishes, and every right to refuse the request. He did nothing more than stand up for himself, and now he's getting shafted for having done so.

Like I said, if the NHLPA isn't all over this, it has no legitimacy as a union. This is exactly the kind of thing it's set up to prevent.

[thymebalm]

I don't get it.

I'm happy someone stepped in to fix this abomination.

I'm excited about the 3v3 tournament and seeing the best players in the league showcased. I was absolutely infuriated when John Scott was named captain of the Pacific division team. I thought "this is why we can't have nice things".

As someone who loves skill, elite talent, and the prospect of watching a very entertaining weekend of hockey related fan fare- I approve this collusion.

[monkeyman]

The NHL will probably convince him to bow out now and then fine him for not going.
I was against the JS selection but this is such bad form and extremely classless. I'm actually rooting for the guy now.
Bush league if they dont let him go now.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is the most blatant example yet of of the NHL's active disdain for its own fans.

Seriously, if you care about hockey - enough that you know and care who goes to the All Star Game and are willing to take the time to prank it - this league despises you.

I'm sorry, but are you attempting to make the argument that the people that voted for Scott are the fans that 'care about hockey'?

lol

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I don't get it.

I'm happy someone stepped in to fix this abomination.

I'm excited about the 3v3 tournament and seeing the best players in the league showcased. I was absolutely infuriated when John Scott was named captain of the Pacific division team. I thought "this is why we can't have nice things".

As someone who loves skill, elite talent, and the prospect of watching a very entertaining weekend of hockey related fan fare- I approve this collusion.

All star game is many things. A showcase of the league's best players is not one of them.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Scott had no obligation to follow the League's wishes, and every right to refuse the request. He did nothing more than stand up for himself, and now he's getting shafted for having done so.

Like I said, if the NHLPA isn't all over this, it has no legitimacy as a union. This is exactly the kind of thing it's set up to prevent.

And you really think the league did not consult the PA on this, and do you think the PA is really going to go after the league for this? It's the ASG, its a game built squarely on marketing the game. The PA isn't going to go to bat for John Scott at the risk of belittling one of the biggest revenue generators the league has.

I find it completely odd that you're making such a stink for a player the Habs literally just acquired hours ago. It's kind of funny actually.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Scott had no obligation to follow the League's wishes, and every right to refuse the request. He did nothing more than stand up for himself, and now he's getting shafted for having done so.

Like I said, if the NHLPA isn't all over this, it has no legitimacy as a union. This is exactly the kind of thing it's set up to prevent.

What's the NHLPA going to do? Scott was included in a trade and the new team is going to keep him in the AHL. Montreal is well within their rights to do so, and there is absolutely no way they could prove that this was done at the NHL's request. His contract is not getting voided, he will still be able to play hockey and get paid to do so. This is not a hill the NHLPA is going to fight for.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 868904

That is really lame.

Probably the only people who gave a crap about the all star game was John Scott and his friends and family.

Who is it going to hurt to have him there?

Based on the stink that this has raised, that's probably not a very accurate statement.

[socalwingfan]

Thought this was pretty funny
Rob Tychkowski ‏@Sun_Tychkowski 14m14 minutes ago So, NHL doesn't want Scott at the All Star game because it's ridiculous and he doesn't belong there, but the Coyotes can stay in Glendale?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Scott had no obligation to follow the League's wishes, and every right to refuse the request. He did nothing more than stand up for himself, and now he's getting shafted for having done so.

Like I said, if the NHLPA isn't all over this, it has no legitimacy as a union. This is exactly the kind of thing it's set up to prevent.

He had no obligation to follow the league's wishes. The Coyotes had no obligation to keep him in Arizona.

What can the PA do? Players get traded all the time (well, not all the time, just the last week or so). Players clear waivers and get sent to the AHL all the time.

Scott has never played more than 60 NHL games in a single season, and has one season in his career where he scored more than 1 point, and that was 4 last season. It's not like he can really argue that he's being treated unfairly by being sent to the AHL.

[Prairiefire]

I am glad this pile of crap got resolved. The vote was for hockey fans not for a bunch of idiots with keyboards, Scott should have respectfully bowed out.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Scott had no obligation to follow the League's wishes, and every right to refuse the request. He did nothing more than stand up for himself, and now he's getting shafted for having done so.

Like I said, if the NHLPA isn't all over this, it has no legitimacy as a union. This is exactly the kind of thing it's set up to prevent.

Kind of curious where you think the NHLPA can fight this. Teams are free to assign players to the AHL under the terms of the CBA for any reason. The only condition is that some players need to clear waivers before being sent down.