[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by TangerZ

Drouin will be an offensive star. IMO BT should consider any deal as long as it doesn't involve our first rounder or anyone of our core players Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Hamilton, Brodie, or Gio. The kid will be good.

So basically get an offensive star for a collection of replacement level parts that Yzerman already has as good of or better in his organization.

No chance of that happening.

[CliffFletcher]

The more teams interested in a player, the more leverage the trading GM has. 16 teams means Yzerman has a lot of leverage. When the Flames dealt Iginla, they did not have much leverage at all. 4 teams = not in drivers seat.

[TangerZ]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

So basically get an offensive star for a collection of replacement level parts that Yzerman already has as good of or better in his organization.

No chance of that happening.

Ok. It's simple then, you don't make a trade Sylvanfan. All I'm saying is if you can make a trade without giving up our core 6 players or our first this year then you do it.

[Strange Brew]

Are Monahan, Gio and Hamilton really untradeable? Or Bennett for that matter?

If the goal is a Stanley Cup then you keep an open mind depending on the return. Tampa Bay is an attractive trading partner as they have some nice pieces

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TangerZ

Ok. It's simple then, you don't make a trade Sylvanfan. All I'm saying is if you can make a trade without giving up our core 6 players or our first this year then you do it.

I think everyone would agree with that. If you can make a trade for a potential star without giving up a potential star, then of course you do it. But the trade proposals themselves are mostly hollow and not worth much discussion.

It's the proposals that eliminate most of our NHL players, plus any of our top prospects and go "Well, if you can do it for this, then yeah, but otherwise no". Well, you might as well just say you're not personally interested in making a trade proposal because it would cost too much, in your opinion.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Are Monahan, Gio and Hamilton really untradeable? Or Bennett for that matter?

If the goal is a Stanley Cup then you keep an open mind depending on the return. Tampa Bay is an attractive trading partner as they have some nice pieces

For Drouin? Absolutely, you cannot touch those guys. Add in Gaudreau and Brodie, which I'm assuming that you didn't list because they are unequivocally untradable.

If we're talking for Stamkos or a proven NHLer it could become a different conversation.

[taxbuster]

I think we all might just want to sit back and realize that the Flames are really unlikely to have anything Stevie Y wants - or at least that the Flames are willing to give up to get Drouin.

[Poe969]

But maybe they'll include Bishop as a cap dump! And maybe they've fallen in love with Wideman's game. And maybe they want to add some grit like Bolig. And maybe they think Raymond will do well with a fast team. And maybe I should have opened some windows while using those cleaning solvents and contact cement...

[flamesforcup]

kylington+ would be what it would take minimum for us other teams can probably outbid us like st louis

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by heep223

For Drouin? Absolutely, you cannot touch those guys. Add in Gaudreau and Brodie, which I'm assuming that you didn't list because they are unequivocally untradable.

If we're talking for Stamkos or a proven NHLer it could become a different conversation.

Not necessarily straight up for Drouin. Or Stamkos for that matter.

But if you are looking at acquiring superstar level talent, those guys have to be in the conversation.

I think Johnny and Brodie are trending to superstar talent. I wouldn't trade them unless they forced your hand for some reason.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Are Monahan, Gio and Hamilton really untradeable? Or Bennett for that matter?

If the goal is a Stanley Cup then you keep an open mind depending on the return. Tampa Bay is an attractive trading partner as they have some nice pieces

In my opinion Monahan and Hamilton are pretty much untouchable. Add Brodie, Bennett, and Gaudreau to that list.

Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau, Brodie were all drafted and developed by the organization. Monahan and Bennett share a maturity and drive that allowed them to fit on to NHL rosters right after their draft. Gaudreau looks like he can be a face of the league type star. Hamilton was a complete steal by Calgary. The size, skating, and shot are great and he is years away from hitting his prime. Brodie already is a number 1 Dman you don't trade those.

Gio I don't see the organization even considering trading but I would get on board if he was moved for a legit young star (Johansen for example). Doubtful it happens

Now if the Oilers offer up McDavid for Monahan or Bennett then of course you make the trade. It just won't happen

[FlameZilla]

I've been pondering this for a few days:

If Stamkos and Drouin are available, would that change your list of Untouchables?

Stamkos is the most talented goal scorer of this generation & Drouin is still a (the?) top prospect in the league.

I don't want to stir any , but you have to think Treliving is drooling at the thought of Stamkos & Monahan as either 1 & 2 centres, or on the same line. Say Gaudreau's name, or Brodie's name came up in the discussion... would you really hang up the phone?

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I've been pondering this for a few days:

If Stamkos and Drouin are available, would that change your list of Untouchables?

Stamkos is the most talented goal scorer of this generation & Drouin is still a (the?) top prospect in the league.

I don't want to stir any , but you have to think Treliving is drooling at the thought of Stamkos & Monahan as either 1 & 2 centres, or on the same line. Say Gaudreau's name, or Brodie's name came up in the discussion... would you really hang up the phone?

imo stamkos is really overrated dsnt really bring any game breaking abilitys other than his shot, at least from what ive seen this year

[FlameZilla]

^^^^^^
I mean, I would but that's because I just ordered a retro jersey with Brodie 7 on the back.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

imo stamkos is really overrated dsnt really bring any game breaking abilitys other than his shot, at least from what ive seen this year

He's having an off year, but his life has been surrounded by a media circus all asking him when he's signing on with the Maple Leafs, so you could see why he'd be distracted.

The guy has the best arsenal of shots since Brett Hull. He's a pure sniper. If he came in a package with Drouin as well as just think you would have to consider any offer. It's rare that talent like that is available.

[Poe969]

Unless Stamkos signs for 7 or less, I wouldn't give up anything for him. He's a rental at this point.

Half a season of Stamkos<having our current guys moving forward.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Are Monahan, Gio and Hamilton really untradeable? Or Bennett for that matter?

For a guy that isn't playing in the NHL at this point? Give your head a shake. You don't trade ANY of those players for Drouin. NONE. Seriously, WTF has Drouin done to deserve this level of reverence? Draft position doesn't mean crap after your name is called. It is what you do after you name is called. This is a kid who hasn't come close to the levels expected. You would really dump any of those players listed for a player that holds nothing but promise, and diminishing promise at that? Man, I can't wait for someone else to snap this kid up, just so we don't have to continually hear about him any more. If he were all that and a bag of chips he'd be in the NHL right now and helping Tampa challenge for the division like they were expected, not schlep it out for a wildcard spot.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I've been pondering this for a few days:

If Stamkos and Drouin are available, would that change your list of Untouchables?

Stamkos is the most talented goal scorer of this generation & Drouin is still a (the?) top prospect in the league.

I don't want to stir any , but you have to think Treliving is drooling at the thought of Stamkos & Monahan as either 1 & 2 centres, or on the same line. Say Gaudreau's name, or Brodie's name came up in the discussion... would you really hang up the phone?

It's funny how we each have our untouchables. Johnny and Brodie are the two I would never trade.

Monahan/Hamilton for Stamkos and Drouin assuming you could speak with Stamkos agent in advance. It's just a pipe dream. And a risky trade for the Flames.

I hate spitballing trades but he about this offer from BT for Drouin:
Any single player on Flames roster except for Gadreau, Monahan, Bennett and the three top D.
Plus they they can pick any 2 prospects they like.

That probably doesn't get it done.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by New Era

For a guy that isn't playing in the NHL at this point? Give your head a shake. You don't trade ANY of those players for Drouin. NONE. Seriously, WTF has Drouin done to deserve this level of reverence? Draft position doesn't mean crap after your name is called. It is what you do after you name is called. This is a kid who hasn't come close to the levels expected. You would really dump any of those players listed for a player that holds nothing but promise, and diminishing promise at that? Man, I can't wait for someone else to snap this kid up, just so we don't have to continually hear about him any more. If he were all that and a bag of chips he'd be in the NHL right now and helping Tampa challenge for the division like they were expected, not schlep it out for a wildcard spot.

Calm down. Was asking whether they were untradeable, not suggesting a straight up deal for Drouin.

[heep223]

Nm