[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[sureLoss]

Oh Drouin held pointless tonight.

Trade for him now while his value is low!!!!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I agree, I wouldn't do it if I were the Flames, but value wise, both are about the same. You have Drouin who was taken 3rd overall in what was considered a deep draft vs. Bennett who was taken 4th overall a year later in what was considered a somewhat weaker draft. Both have accomplished about the same in the NHL.

So really, if the Flames aren't going to have Bennett on the table, Yzerman doesn't deal with the Flames. IMO, there is no chance he would give up Drouin for Ferland and Wideman, that just doesn't make any sense.

The deep draft vs shallow draft comment is irrelevant. Drouin was a high pick where there were better options in the top 15 where Bennett when 4th in a draft that was very top heavy. Just because a player like Dominwas available at 12 in 2013 and the Canucks had to settle for Virtanen at 6 in 2014 doesn't make Drouin any more highly touted than Bennett.

I agree with you that Yzerman doesn't need to take Ferland or Wideman but I disagree that he is going to get a comparable player in return. It is like Snow asking for Brodie or Hamilton in a Hamonic trade. The team where the player demands the trade rarely win.

I don't think the flames have the assets but look at what Turris got that is closer to the return than a legit top young player going the other way.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Haha, this thread has taken a turn for the ultra-homerish. I agree with the one guy who said there should be more honesty in what people are putting forth for ideas.

For from it for me to tell anyone how to post, but I believe trade proposals and "I don't really want to trade the players that it would take to get a potential star player" should be kept separate.

If Ferland and a pick is all you'd give up AND you're even himming and hawing that, maybe just say "You know what, I love the players on this team too much to make a rational trade proposal". There isn't much point in discussing trade "proposals" that would have the GM of the other team laugh out loud and maybe even start ignoring our GM out of spite for how awful the offer was.

Not to beat a dead horse (its already dead and rotting) but your saying if the Flames offered Ferland and a 1st then Yzerman, instead of politely saying no thank you, would laugh in BT's face and decide that warrants ignoring him out of spite.

He may not want it but that is not a joke of an offer.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Why are people acting like Bennett is so much better/more valuable than Drouin? I'm legitimately confused.

From a team needs perspective, I can see not wanting to do that swap but it's pretty close value-wise. Yzerman is in the driver's seat here, he's not doing some quality for quantity deal. If the Flames do acquire him, they will pay a hefty, condensed price.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Not to beat a dead horse (its already dead and rotting) but your saying if the Flames offered Ferland and a 1st then Yzerman, instead of politely saying no thank you, would laugh in BT's face and decide that warrants ignoring him out of spite.

He may not want it but that is not a joke of an offer.

He wouldn't even consider it unless the pick was totally unprotected. Even then, he'd probably say no. What would you rather have? A quantifiable asset like Bennett or a nebulous draft pick that might not even be top 10? That's the kind of crap that gets people fired.

[hockey.modern]

Lightning GM Yzerman 'prepared to trade' Drouin
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...d=nhl:topheads

- Drouin will be traded for equal-value and for the better of the organization

General manager Steve Yzerman said Saturday he would trade forward Jonathan Drouin only to make the Tampa Bay Lightning better, not to satisfy his trade request.

"I am prepared to trade him, but any deal that I make has to be what I consider a good deal for the Tampa Bay Lightning," Yzerman told CBC. "We drafted Jonathan third overall (in the 2013 NHL Draft), we drafted him third overall for a reason and believe that he is going to be a very good hockey player in this League, and I still believe he is going to be a very good hockey player in this League, so it's important for our organization that we make a trade that we get equal value so to speak, and you can measure that in a lot of different ways.

"Jonathan has been told he won't be traded to make him happy. It'll be something that is good for the Tampa Bay Lightning."

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Why are people acting like Bennett is so much better/more valuable than Drouin? I'm legitimately confused.

From a team needs perspective, I can see not wanting to do that swap but it's pretty close value-wise. Yzerman is in the driver's seat here, he's not doing some quality for quantity deal. If the Flames do acquire him, they will pay a hefty, condensed price.

I would guess league wide they are very similar

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Oh Drouin held pointless tonight.

Trade for him now while his value is low!!!!

Matt DeBlouw, Tampa Adds.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Why are people acting like Bennett is so much better/more valuable than Drouin? I'm legitimately confused.

From a team needs perspective, I can see not wanting to do that swap but it's pretty close value-wise. Yzerman is in the driver's seat here, he's not doing some quality for quantity deal. If the Flames do acquire him, they will pay a hefty, condensed price.

So the GM thst has the disgruntled young player is in the drivers seat? Um no the GM's that have content players on their roster (or at least players that have not asked for a trade publically) are in the drivers seat. It is laughable that you think Yzerman is going to get a player like Bennett for Drouin. Fabbri I could see he was a mid 1st and looks like a decent player but not a potential top line centre like Bennett is.

Yzerman is in a position of weakness but he also isn't absolutely forced to make a move so not in a helpless situation.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So the GM thst has the disgruntled young player is in the drivers seat? Um no the GM's that have content players on their roster (or at least players that have not asked for a trade publically) are in the drivers seat. It is laughable that you think Yzerman is going to get a player like Bennett for Drouin. Fabbri I could see he was a mid 1st and looks like a decent player but not a potential top line centre like Bennett is.

Yzerman is in a position of weakness but he also isn't absolutely forced to make a move so not in a helpless situation.

This. He will get a good young player back but he's likely to lose this trade when all is said and done.

[Jacks]

Yzerman is not in a position of weakness. He has almost half of the league interested and no pressing need to make any move at all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Yzerman is not in a position of weakness. He has almost half of the league interested and no pressing need to make any move at all.

The only recent top 5-10 picks I could see being moved for Drouin are Dal Volle or Virtanen who are struggling players so far. I don't see any 2015 top 10 picks being moved, I don't see any other 2013 top 10 picks being moved. Habs won't give up Galchenyuk.

The fact Drouin hasn't adapted to the NHL like others in his class, and that he has publically demanded a trade hurts his value. Maybe Yzerman sits on him all season but unless Drouin comes back to the NHL and lights it up I don't see how he is going to get a comparable player in return.

He is poised to lose this trade. Of course half the league is interested but it is not like there is a bidding war here.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So the GM thst has the disgruntled young player is in the drivers seat? Um no the GM's that have content players on their roster (or at least players that have not asked for a trade publically) are in the drivers seat. It is laughable that you think Yzerman is going to get a player like Bennett for Drouin. Fabbri I could see he was a mid 1st and looks like a decent player but not a potential top line centre like Bennett is.

Yzerman is in a position of weakness but he also isn't absolutely forced to make a move so not in a helpless situation.

There's going to be a bidding war for Drouin, so yes I would say Yzerman is in the driver's seat. There are 16+ teams interested if you believe the reports, if that's not "driver's seat" I don't know what is. There is no NTC/NMC to deal with and no rush to trade him, I don't see how the Bolts lose here.

Even if it ends up being Fabbri+1st, that's better than anything we'd likely offer as Fabbri is better than any prospect we have IMO (Bennett isn't a prospect obviously). The only "ace" we have is our 1st as its likely 10-20 spots higher than St.Louis, but that's also a good reason not to trade it.

Drouin isn't getting traded for spare parts, if BT wants him I don't see how he gets him without sacrificing Bennett and/or the 1st.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He is poised to lose this trade. Of course half the league is interested but it is not like there is a bidding war here.

That's pretty much the definition of a bidding war, unless you think all those GMs are just kicking tires. I personally think there is a TON of interest as prospects of Drouin's quality are never available like this. Seriously, when was the last 20 year old, former top 3 pick on the trade block? What's the precedent here?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

There's going to be a bidding war for Drouin, so yes I would say Yzerman is in the driver's seat. There are 16+ teams interested if you believe the reports, if that's not "driver's seat" I don't know what is. There is no NTC/NMC to deal with and no rush to trade him, I don't see how the Bolts lose here.

Even if it ends up being Fabbri+1st, that's better than anything we'd likely offer as Fabbri is better than any prospect we have IMO (Bennett isn't a prospect obviously). The only "ace" we have is our 1st as its likely 10-20 spots higher than St.Louis, but that's also a good reason not to trade it.

Drouin isn't getting traded for spare parts, if BT wants him I don't see how he gets him without sacrificing Bennett and/or the 1st.

If it is Fabbri and a 1st I will be surprised. You look at Blues fans on HF they wouldn't give him up straight up. Of course half the league is interested a good young player wants out. Tell me the difference here between Turris and Drouin? Both were 3rd overall picks that asked for a trade. I think Yzerman gets something similar a good prospect and a 2nd. Yzerman may want to dump money in the trade as well to free up space to keep his team together. Finding a taker for the awful Carle contract could be a play they want.

Yzerman is in the drivers seat in he doesn't have to trade him but I don't see how he is going to get value that is the equivalent. Drouin has been hurt and not progressed as much as many hoped. He is not getting an equal value young player in return simple as that

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

If we ignore salary, yes it's exactly what we need. But with our salary on D, plus Johnny and Monahan being big money soon, another $6-7M for several years is pretty steep. For two/three years? Hell yeah. For six/seven? No

It's funny how quickly this went from a team with loads of cap space and flexibility to one that doesn't have a realistic shot at top free agents.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If it is Fabbri and a 1st I will be surprised. You look at Blues fans on HF they wouldn't give him up straight up.

Then it's a good thing these deals aren't voted on by the fanbases, or there would never be a trade of any significance made in the NHL.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Then it's a good thing these deals aren't voted on by the fanbases, or there would never be a trade of any significance made in the NHL.

There are barely any trades as is. Either way I doubt a Drouin trade happens before the draft when teams are looking to make roster changes and if draft picks are in play both teams have an idea what they are giving up or getting

[icecube]

I can't think of any trades where a player publically wanted out and that teams GM got full value in return for their asset. Can anybody think of any?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by icecube

I can't think of any trades where a player publically wanted out and that teams GM got full value in return for their asset. Can anybody think of any?

Yzerman himself got good value with St.Louis imo.