[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Wow. Never really considered him, but if we can get some expensive contracts off the books and let some of our vets walk, I would love to sign Backes as a UFA. He is exactly the type of guy we need. Would be a great fit.

32 years old and likely gets a 5 year contract minimum at $5+M too risky. Rather go after Okposo who is 28 and would fit nicely on the top line RW

[thymebalm]

6 goals in 90 GP ... I just don't get the hype.

I've seen enough Ty Ratties, Robbie Schremps and Sven Baertschis to know that elite scoring at the junior level means jack-all if you can't translate it to the NHL.

I would keep Ferland 10 out of 10, even straight up. Drouin is a project with upside.. he's young, sure sure, but I would keep a multi-dimensional player over someone who needs to be coddled positionally for success.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

6 goals in 90 GP ... I just don't get the hype.

I've seen enough Ty Ratties, Robbie Schremps and Sven Baertschis to know that elite scoring at the junior level means jack-all if you can't translate it to the NHL.

I would keep Ferland 10 out of 10, even straight up. Drouin is a project with upside.. he's young, sure sure, but I would keep a multi-dimensional player over someone who needs to be coddled positionally for success.

If you could trade Ferland straight up for Drouin you do it so fast it isn't funny. You might not get the hype but there is a reason for it. The other players you mentioned that failed to live up to their hype never had the skill set Drouin has. He is going to be a top 6 creative forward, no doubt in my mind.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

6 goals in 90 GP ... I just don't get the hype.

I've seen enough Ty Ratties, Robbie Schremps and Sven Baertschis to know that elite scoring at the junior level means jack-all if you can't translate it to the NHL.

I would keep Ferland 10 out of 10, even straight up. Drouin is a project with upside.. he's young, sure sure, but I would keep a multi-dimensional player over someone who needs to be coddled positionally for success.

Drouin has had a hard time moving up Tampa's deep forward group. Cooper also has been loyal to players that he won the Calder Cup with. I think that is the main reason Drouin asked for a trade he wants a fresh start. Kyle Turris scored 11 goals and 25pts the season before he was traded. He is on pace for his third straight 25 goal season in Ottawa.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by New Era

That's a big no for me. I would do one of them, and prefer to move Kylington, but not both of them. I think Jankowski is going to be a great addition to the team in the middle next season. I think he is going to surprise a lot of people and be a solid 2nd or 3rd line center that chips in consistently on the scoresheet while playing a responsible two way game. He makes Backlund a player I would consider moving. Frankly, with a center core of Monahan, Bennett, Jankowski and Arnold, this team looks great at that position and should have the flexibility to move out guys like Backlund and Stajan in short order. Future looks bright down the middle.

I'd still be more inclined to try and move Backlund and Wideman/Russell for Drouin and a salary dump on their blueline.

There are a lot of huge maybes in there. I hope you are right but so far only one player in that group has shown he can play at a high level in the NHL.

[calgaryblood]

My brain hurts from some of these trade proposals. Use common sense at least.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

32 years old and likely gets a 5 year contract minimum at $5+M too risky. Rather go after Okposo who is 28 and would fit nicely on the top line RW

Would be thrilled with okposo too. My only concern would be how much of his scoring is propped up by Tavares?

[442scotty]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

My brain hurts from some of these trade proposals. Use common sense at least.

Lol ! That's for sure!!!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

6 goals in 90 GP ... I just don't get the hype.

I've seen enough Ty Ratties, Robbie Schremps and Sven Baertschis to know that elite scoring at the junior level means jack-all if you can't translate it to the NHL.

I would keep Ferland 10 out of 10, even straight up. Drouin is a project with upside.. he's young, sure sure, but I would keep a multi-dimensional player over someone who needs to be coddled positionally for success.

That's just crazy talk. There's a very good chance Yzerman isn't even interested as Ferland as a throw in let alone player for player. He's a very average prospect.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Would be thrilled with okposo too. My only concern would be how much of his scoring is propped up by Tavares?

I'm not sure how relevant it is. Even with Tavares he's a 20-25 goal scorer, maybe 50 points. He's probably going to get 6M a year because of his size and I'm not sure that works with the Flames structure for that kind of production

[jayswin]

Haha, this thread has taken a turn for the ultra-homerish. I agree with the one guy who said there should be more honesty in what people are putting forth for ideas.

For from it for me to tell anyone how to post, but I believe trade proposals and "I don't really want to trade the players that it would take to get a potential star player" should be kept separate.

If Ferland and a pick is all you'd give up AND you're even himming and hawing that, maybe just say "You know what, I love the players on this team too much to make a rational trade proposal". There isn't much point in discussing trade "proposals" that would have the GM of the other team laugh out loud and maybe even start ignoring our GM out of spite for how awful the offer was.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm not sure how relevant it is. Even with Tavares he's a 20-25 goal scorer, maybe 50 points. He's probably going to get 6M a year because of his size and I'm not sure that works with the Flames structure for that kind of production

Sorry for derailing thread..

But, isn't that exactly what we're looking for? By all accounts it looks like hudler will be gone, some older players traded and this team should have some cash for a ufa. Cash that hopefully is spent on our biggest need, being a top six, big rw that can score. Okposo or backes would be great.

[Vinny01]

I am all for trading for Drouin with all assets on the table except Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Brodie, Gio, Hamilton. That includes any prospect and draft pick or roster player not listed.

[Aarongavey]

Why trade Ferland straight up when you can probably package up Wotherspoon, Ortio and a 5th rounder for Drouin and a 6th rounder. I had to add a little to that package, thus the 5th and the 6th. Wotherspoon and Ortio are just not quite enough.....

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Sorry for derailing thread..

But, isn't that exactly what we're looking for? By all accounts it looks like hudler will be gone, some older players traded and this team should have some cash for a ufa. Cash that hopefully is spent on our biggest need, being a top six, big rw that can score. Okposo or backes would be great.

If we ignore salary, yes it's exactly what we need. But with our salary on D, plus Johnny and Monahan being big money soon, another $6-7M for several years is pretty steep. For two/three years? Hell yeah. For six/seven? No

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I know Tampa wouldn't do that but wanted to see Flames fans opinions. I do that deal without hesitation but there is already one poster that said he wouldn't. I suspected as such and was looking to see how many would be opposed


Mike Johnston wrote an article about 7 teams he could see taking a run or being a good fit for Drouin. Flames were one of those teams with Wideman/Russell and a promising young forward being our trade bait.

If Wideman is in the deal then I suspect Carle would be as well. Based on what Tampa is looking for

Wideman and Ferland
For
Carle and Drouin

Extra year on Carle at $5.5M. He would have to be given a look as Dougie's partner and Russell would have to be moved for picks/prospects. It would suck to lose Ferland but I don't think he is a top 6 guy but fills a huge roll on the team. I still make that trade and add as high as a 2nd rounder

I'm pretty sure when he mentioned promising young forward, he's probably thinking more in the lines of Bennett, and less in the line of Ferland.

Flames absolutely have the pieces to get Drouin if they so choose, but I just can't see it done without Bennett.

What if Yzerman offered Drouin + 1st for Bennett and Kylington? Would Flames fans consider it?

I think I'd pass, but I think it's a lot more realistic than Wideman and Carle.

[sureLoss]

Friedman on HNIC says Yzerman wants a young player that he control for a while (i.e. contract wise).

Fabbri's name for St. Louis has come out as being part of the return.

Also mentioned that Lightning need equal salary to move out in any trade.

So from that segment I would assume the trade talks between the Lightning and Blues revolves around Fabbri and Shattenkirk for Drouin +

[socalwingfan]

I believe it was Jiri who brought it up - but I agree that BT should try and make a deal for Hayes or Rychel while the hockey world is focusing on Drouin.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I'm pretty sure when he mentioned promising young forward, he's probably thinking more in the lines of Bennett, and less in the line of Ferland.

Flames absolutely have the pieces to get Drouin if they so choose, but I just can't see it done without Bennett.

What if Yzerman offered Drouin + 1st for Bennett and Kylington? Would Flames fans consider it?

I think I'd pass, but I think it's a lot more realistic than Wideman and Carle.

There is absolutely no way the Lightning are going to get a player like Bennett for Drouin. I don't do it if they throw in their 1st and we add nothing let alone Kylington. Bennett is a huge part of the future of this team and is virtually untouchable in my books. Love the style he plays and the compete level he has

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

There is absolutely no way the Lightning are going to get a player like Bennett for Drouin. I don't do it if they throw in their 1st and we add nothing let alone Kylington. Bennett is a huge part of the future of this team and is virtually untouchable in my books. Love the style he plays and the compete level he has

I agree, I wouldn't do it if I were the Flames, but value wise, both are about the same. You have Drouin who was taken 3rd overall in what was considered a deep draft vs. Bennett who was taken 4th overall a year later in what was considered a somewhat weaker draft. Both have accomplished about the same in the NHL.

So really, if the Flames aren't going to have Bennett on the table, Yzerman doesn't deal with the Flames. IMO, there is no chance he would give up Drouin for Ferland and Wideman, that just doesn't make any sense.