So three of the conference finalists were in the 10 lightest teams, with the other, Anaheim, being the heaviest. In terms of height they ranked 9th, 12th, 21st, 29th.
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I don't think just averaging the entire team like that is very meaningful. The Flames are bigger on average because they have Engelland and Bollig, but they aren't as much of an impact as a big top-6 forward.
I don't care what the numbers say, the Flames play like a small team.
Drouin would be great but he's too small IMO and I think they should target Hayes instead. If they could get Drouin cheap, I'd like it but he'll likely get a decent return.
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You take Drouin still because he has so much potential long term. From a roster building perspective he is your long term Hudler replacement.
You can do:
Gaudreau-Monahan - RW
Drouin - Bennett - RW
And your roster just needs size on the RW. Hayes would be a good fit, and hopefully Ferland and Jankowski develop as planned long term to help out in the top 9. Maybe somebody like an Emerson Etem for the bottom line as well.
On the back end if you let Russell go at the end of the season that helps with the size issue, as IMO playing him 22 minutes per game is an issue due to the tendency to get hemmed by bigger forwards.
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It's particularly rich to hear a flames fan of all people arguing to pass on a sublimely skilled player because they're too small.
2 is too many? We have the one. And he's a really really good one. If you can get Drouin at a reasonable price, sure you do it. But at the end of the day, the assets you're spending can be directed towards more pressing needs for the team like a better/younger goaltender, a natural RW who shoots with size, another RW shooter, maybe a sniper for the left side too.
Drouin isn't THAT small either, just needs a bit more meat on the bones but a Tanguay like player is not what the Flames should be pursuing.
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I believe Burke and/or Hartley has said it before, you need have some size in key positions. Having the likes of Smid and Colborne pushing up the average isn't the same as facing Getzlaf/Perry, Kopitar/Doughty, Backes/Pietrangelo.
Note not all of them play rough but it is tough to play against these key players for 20+ minutes every night
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It's particularly rich to hear a flames fan of all people arguing to pass on a sublimely skilled player because they're too small.
I don't know who's saying to pass on him and I don't know if he's proven that he's "sublimely skilled" for that matter. Would you trade 3 first rounders for him? It's about how much he'd cost to acquire.
I don't know if there's anyone here saying that they wouldn't want Drouin on the team if he could be had for free or for next to nothing in a trade. I'm sure everyone here would say yes if they could trade Drouin for a 4th round pick.
The fact is that Drouin is likely going to cost a team quite a bit. I'd love to have Drouin on this team but I think the team would rather use the assets to trade for a guy like Hayes or someone else.
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yep, Flames have no hope of getting to the Hawks level until they make up that 2 pound / 0.2 inch difference in size.
sure Calgary could use some extra bulk but it needs to be functional, unlike the size we currently have right now which is a lot of 4th line / 3rd pairing stuff. that's why it's unbelievable whenever I read that we'll need Bollig in to help with a playoff against a big team like Anaheim or LA. like what is he gonna do, punch the puck into the net?
Chicago has big guys where it counts. No one cares that Colborne is 6'5 when he plays small and is as useless as a tit on a bull.
Hamilton is another one, tall and soft. Bollig, Engelland....hardly any ice time....We have Russell, Wideman, Brodie and Hamilton playing most of the night. Neither can lay a hit or win a corner battle. That's like 40 minutes of a game with soft guys on D.
Hossa or Toews can go thru traffic like it's butter....that's size and strength, We don't have anyone like that. If we played them in the playoffs, we'd get bullied like we did by Anaheim.
What we need is for Ferland to turn into a top two line power forward sooner rather than later and the addition of another big forward. Plenty of size up front at the top end of this draft.
People rag on Colborne but frankly he's one of the best forwards we have at protecting the puck. Johnny is another despite his small stature. Monahan just isn't as good at protecting the puck and outmuscling guys as guys like Getzlaf, Jagr, Barkov, etc. Bennett may be one of our best at protecting the puck if he can add some more muscle because he has the skill and power game to win battles all around the offensive zone. We're missing Frolik ATM who has some skill and weight.
Overall we're a little too small and soft. That's why I think Hudler isn't really a fit long term with Johnny being our key player and Monny not playing any sort of power game at all right now. Right now our depth lines are actually reasonably physical and strong with the likes of Jones, Bouma, Ferland, Bollig. I'd eject Ramond at the first possible opportunity. A guy like Derek Grant in the AHL could provide us a big, strong bottom 2 line power centre either later this year or next year to replace a Backlund or Stajan if we want.
If the year goes south we should be able to grab a big forward at the draft this year because there is oodles of them. In an ideal world we might have a Regehr type player in our top 4 as well to compliment the likes of Gio, Brodie and Hamilton since our defense outside of our #5-6 guys isn't very physical or physically imposing.
We have a heck of a lot of pieces, more than we've ever had in my time of following the team. One or two more key acquisitions through trade or the draft and we may be fairly set long term. The continued development of Ferland and Bennett will be one of the biggest reasons we become harder to play against and harder to shut down and contain.
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2nd lightest team in the NHL last season says otherwise...not saying the Flames couldn't use some size/skill just that its not the be all end all
Again, dumb averages. Hossa, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson....star players that would dummy any Flame not named Bollig or Engelland. Both not even regulars on the Flames.
Chicago has big guys where it counts. No one cares that Colborne is 6'5 when he plays small and is as useless as a tit on a bull.
Hamilton is another one, tall and soft. Bollig, Engelland....hardly any ice time....We have Russell, Wideman, Brodie and Hamilton playing most of the night. Neither can lay a hit or win a corner battle. That's like 40 minutes of a game with soft guys on D.
Hossa or Toews can go thru traffic like it's butter....that's size and strength, We don't have anyone like that. If we played them in the playoffs, we'd get bullied like we did by Anaheim.
I've seen Brodie go into a corner and come away with the puck more times than I can count. Who cares if he can't knock someone on their ass.
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Again, dumb averages. Hossa, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson....star players that would dummy any Flame not named Bollig or Engelland. Both not even regulars on the Flames.
Gio for one would hold his own against any of those guys
I am fine with the Flames getting more size...but if you have a chance to get a player the caliber of Drouin you take it this shouldn't even be a factor
Gio for one would hold his own against any of those guys
I am fine with the Flames getting more size...but if you have a chance to get a player the caliber of Drouin you take it this shouldn't even be a factor
Well I think thats the major issue, Drouin's 'NHL Caliber' is more or less an unknown at this point.
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Again, dumb averages. Hossa, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson....star players that would dummy any Flame not named Bollig or Engelland. Both not even regulars on the Flames.
It's more speed and elite skill. Toews is not big. Keith is not big. I don't think your evaluation on Toews is quite on the mark. He does not cut through defense like butter. Hossa yes, he is a beast. Toews is elite skills, speed, hockey sense, and so on. As a unit they move the puck better than any team in the league. I agree that in general they dummy the Flames, because it's obvious they do, more often than not when we play that team, and we pull out wins with elite goaltending and opportunistic offense. But it's more of a modern Detroit Red Wings dummy, than them doing it because they're big.
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