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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hawks have won 3 cups with not all that much beef

I'm of the opinion that size is vastly overrated but the Flames do lack a big, talented forward as you are going to have games where you need a talented forward to overcome physical obstruction and get into the scoring areas that Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett can't.

[Enoch Root]

Size, like other dimensions, is important but not the only thinig.

You definitely don't have to be the biggest team to win.

However, if you are one of the smallest teams, and other teams can exploit that and shut you down as a result, then you can't win.

And that's where the Flames are right now.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Curious what you base this on.

Kyllington was considered the best skater in his draft class, not named McDavid. And he showed pretty elite offensive talent as well (better numbers than Karlsson).

The concern was that he might be a headcase, and that he was a mess defensively.

He is now showing that he isn't a headcase, and that his defensive game is actually just fine for an 18 year old - though, yes it's still a small sample size.

So if the concerns are significantly deteriorated, and he still has elite skills, why would his rank not rise again to reflect that?

Sorry I don't watch the Heat but I don't see how he is doing anything outside of skating well that is shaping he is a top 5 talent. I see a player that averages about 0.3ppg in the AHL (decent for a young player) and did not make his country's world junior team. Admittedly I have not followed him close but if he was such a great prospect wouldn't we have a 'fricken' thread and be following him more closely?

What does he rank if we did a poll of top Flames prospects today?

Also I am not meaning to hate on him but I would also have zero issue trading Kylington + for Drouin. I hope it happens but seriously doubt it does.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sorry I don't watch the Heat but I don't see how he is doing anything outside of skating well that is shaping he is a top 5 talent. I see a player that averages about 0.3ppg in the AHL (decent for a young player) and did not make his country's world junior team. Admittedly I have not followed him close but if he was such a great prospect wouldn't we have a 'fricken' thread and be following him more closely?

What does he rank if we did a poll of top Flames prospects today?

Also I am not meaning to hate on him but I would also have zero issue trading Kylington + for Drouin. I hope it happens but seriously doubt it does.

I think he started slow but his upward curve is pretty steep right now. He is impressing a lot of people that watch Stockton. I don't think there is much more he could be doing to prove his nay sayers wrong.

That's not a judgement either way on whether we should trade him and other stuff for Drouin.

[sureLoss]

Looking at the 2015 draft today and Kylington's progress today, I would probably take Kylington after Hanifin, Provorov, and Werenski.

Kind of around where Zboril was taken.

Strangely enough that is about where the Flames would have picked before the Hamilton trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Size, like other dimensions, is important but not the only thinig.

You sound like my wife, being somewhat generous to me.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sorry I don't watch the Heat but I don't see how he is doing anything outside of skating well that is shaping he is a top 5 talent. I see a player that averages about 0.3ppg in the AHL (decent for a young player) and did not make his country's world junior team. Admittedly I have not followed him close but if he was such a great prospect wouldn't we have a 'fricken' thread and be following him more closely?

What does he rank if we did a poll of top Flames prospects today?

Also I am not meaning to hate on him but I would also have zero issue trading Kylington + for Drouin. I hope it happens but seriously doubt it does.

he's playing on one of the top pairings with Nakladal and quarterbacking the powerplay at age 18. Many 20 year old defencemen struggle to even make the lineup consistently.

So the fact he's being used heavily in a pro league at that young of an age is extremely promising. Kulak made our team out of camp this year due to injury and he didn't do at age 20 in the AHL what Kylington is doing this year at age 18.

Kylington is WAY ahead of the curve at the moment.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sorry I don't watch the Heat but I don't see how he is doing anything outside of skating well that is shaping he is a top 5 talent. I see a player that averages about 0.3ppg in the AHL (decent for a young player) and did not make his country's world junior team. Admittedly I have not followed him close but if he was such a great prospect wouldn't we have a 'fricken' thread and be following him more closely?

What does he rank if we did a poll of top Flames prospects today?

Also I am not meaning to hate on him but I would also have zero issue trading Kylington + for Drouin. I hope it happens but seriously doubt it does.

Decent for a young player?

That point total is pretty damn impressive for an 18 year old blueliner.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looking at the 2015 draft today and Kylington's progress today, I would probably take Kylington after Hanifin, Provorov, and Werenski.

Kind of around where Zboril was taken.

Strangely enough that is about where the Flames would have picked before the Hamilton trade.

It is interesting because leading up to draft day had we taken Kylington at 14 I don't think I would have been too angry.

Obviously with Connor (dude has Larkin like potential) and Barzal still on the board I would have preferred them but with the organization severely lacking in defensive depth I could have understood why.

Instead we were able to trade that pick for Hamilton, and still get Kylington (and Andersson) later in the draft.

This draft really ended up altering the defensive depth in our organization from a weakness to a strength.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looking at the 2015 draft today and Kylington's progress today, I would probably take Kylington after Hanifin, Provorov, and Werenski.

Kind of around where Zboril was taken.

Strangely enough that is about where the Flames would have picked before the Hamilton trade.

I wonder if this was all a calculated risk, i.e. what if he was who they wanted with their first, and they got him and Hamilton knowing almost exactly where Kylington would fall.

I'd expect BT's business card to say Chief Wizard if somehow this was true.

[Red]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hawks have won 3 cups with not all that much beef

Hawks are not nor have they been in the last few years a small team. They dwarf the Flames.

Need to look at the whole team and not just Kane who is the smallest guy on that team at 5'11.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looking at the 2015 draft today and Kylington's progress today, I would probably take Kylington after Hanifin, Provorov, and Werenski.

Kind of around where Zboril was taken.

Strangely enough that is about where the Flames would have picked before the Hamilton trade.

I substituted over for after when I first read this and thought your circuits had blown

[GioforPM]

Blackhawks up front have 4 players 6'3", which IMO is big, the rest are at least 5'11". Their back end are not giants but not little either. And in goal they have a huge backup and a "normal" starter.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sorry I don't watch the Heat but I don't see how he is doing anything outside of skating well that is shaping he is a top 5 talent. I see a player that averages about 0.3ppg in the AHL (decent for a young player) and did not make his country's world junior team. Admittedly I have not followed him close but if he was such a great prospect wouldn't we have a 'fricken' thread and be following him more closely?

What does he rank if we did a poll of top Flames prospects today?

Also I am not meaning to hate on him but I would also have zero issue trading Kylington + for Drouin. I hope it happens but seriously doubt it does.

If we ran another prospect vote today, I would probably go with:

Gillies
Kyllington
and then Poirier, Andersson and Hickey in some order, depending on mood

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Red

Hawks are not nor have they been in the last few years a small team. They dwarf the Flames.

Need to look at the whole team and not just Kane who is the smallest guy on that team at 5'11.

No one in the world actually believes Kane is 5'11".

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Blackhawks up front have 4 players 6'3", which IMO is big, the rest are at least 5'11". Their back end are not giants but not little either. And in goal they have a huge backup and a "normal" starter.

And of the "smaller" players, you have guys like Shaw who play much bigger. We certainly don't need a team of Colbornes, but we could use some more guys with skill and toughness (read: Ferland, Bennett)

[polak]

The need for a guy like Drouin with Johnny was painfully obvious yesterday.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by polak

The need for a guy like Drouin with Johnny was painfully obvious yesterday.

I think it's more of a glaring need for the second line with Bennett.

We need a true RW, that has a good shot, decent hands, and is good defensively on Gaudreaus wing.

Another small winger isn't going to help them when they are hemmed in the corners by other teams more physical forwards.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Red

Hawks are not nor have they been in the last few years a small team. They dwarf the Flames.

Need to look at the whole team and not just Kane who is the smallest guy on that team at 5'11.

yep, Flames have no hope of getting to the Hawks level until they make up that 2 pound / 0.2 inch difference in size.

sure Calgary could use some extra bulk but it needs to be functional, unlike the size we currently have right now which is a lot of 4th line / 3rd pairing stuff. that's why it's unbelievable whenever I read that we'll need Bollig in to help with a playoff against a big team like Anaheim or LA. like what is he gonna do, punch the puck into the net?



http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2015/10/20...eight-and.html

[Inglewood Jack]

oh, and Edmonton outweighs Calgary by almost 8 pounds on average. guess all the size in the world can't help you overcome that amount of no goodness.